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Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened. Amazon had multiple, clear asks that Parler refused to adopt. They didn't even delete posts that A

Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened. Amazon had multiple, clear asks that Parler refused to adopt. They didn't even delete posts that Amazon had sent to them and informed them were problematic. That's literally the bare minimum.

dstola 6y ago
Slippery Slope means just that, persistent and constant escalation of censorship which is exactly what is happening right now. Amazon jumped on the bandwagon behind Google Play and Apple store and Twitch and Facebook for internet SJW points and to not be left behind in the "I don't like what they say" Olympics. I don't particularly agree with the messages of Parler or lean right at all, I am a staunch libertarian and believe that any and all opinions should be heard. "Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." - not sure who to attribute it to since I don't know, but it is almost certain this censorship wave was started by a political party for political goals. The end result is the same.
- jumelles 6y ago
  > Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition Well it's a good thing the government had nothing to do with this decision then!
  - dstola 6y ago
    I think you underestimate the effect of politics in big tech. Lobbying happens for a reason and big tech does a very big portion of it.
- akhilcacharya 6y ago
  Weird for a libertarian to believe that a private corporation should be forced to accommodate potential customers...
  - dstola 6y ago
    Missing the point here. My issue is silencing free speech/expression/liberty to do those things, not about any corporation in particular
stale2002 6y ago
> Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened We are sliding down the slope at breakneck speed. Slippery slope is not about a single thing happening. Instead, it is about one thing leading to another leading to another. And I see a whole bunch of things leading to another and leading to another. Every 2 hours goes by, and another escalation happens. The only question next is when will the escalation stop? Because clearly we have far far escalated past the point where we were a couple months ago, which was simply "Well, a couple nazis got banned on twitter". We have zoomed ahead on the escalation to the point where a service with 10 million users is booted off of borderline critical internet infrastructure, with less than 12 hours of warning to do anything about it. The slope, quite clearly, was pretty slippery it seems!
- Sebguer 6y ago
  Less than 12 hours warning? Amazon had clearly previously communicated with them before today, even having a phone call with them in the last 24 hours. Clearly provided them with examples of problematic content, which Parler didn't even do the bare minimum and remove. A bunch of companies deciding that unmoderated violence should not be given space on their platforms, or using their tools, is not a slippery slope.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > is not a slippery slope. One action is leading to another and leading to even more actions. That quite clearly falls under the principle of a slippery slope. That is what people mean when they say "slippery slope". Imagine like an actual slope. That is slippery, because it has greese on it. And you slip down the slope. Clearly, we are slipping down that slope very quickly. First it was action X, which everyone agrees was done against someone who deserved it, then it was action Y which was an escalation, and then it was action Z that was another escalation. Surely you should see how it is an escalation to go from "A couple nazis get banned on twitter", to where we are at now which it important computing infrastructure kicking major services off of the platform?
    - 6y ago

dstola 6y ago

Slippery Slope means just that, persistent and constant escalation of censorship which is exactly what is happening right now. Amazon jumped on the bandwagon behind Google Play and Apple store and Twitch and Facebook for internet SJW points and to not be left behind in the "I don't like what they say" Olympics. I don't particularly agree with the messages of Parler or lean right at all, I am a staunch libertarian and believe that any and all opinions should be heard. "Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." - not sure who to attribute it to since I don't know, but it is almost certain this censorship wave was started by a political party for political goals. The end result is the same.

jumelles 6y ago
> Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition Well it's a good thing the government had nothing to do with this decision then!
- dstola 6y ago
  I think you underestimate the effect of politics in big tech. Lobbying happens for a reason and big tech does a very big portion of it.
akhilcacharya 6y ago
Weird for a libertarian to believe that a private corporation should be forced to accommodate potential customers...
- dstola 6y ago
  Missing the point here. My issue is silencing free speech/expression/liberty to do those things, not about any corporation in particular

stale2002 6y ago

> Slippery slope does not mean "a thing I don't like" happened We are sliding down the slope at breakneck speed. Slippery slope is not about a single thing happening. Instead, it is about one thing leading to another leading to another. And I see a whole bunch of things leading to another and leading to another. Every 2 hours goes by, and another escalation happens. The only question next is when will the escalation stop? Because clearly we have far far escalated past the point where we were a couple months ago, which was simply "Well, a couple nazis got banned on twitter". We have zoomed ahead on the escalation to the point where a service with 10 million users is booted off of borderline critical internet infrastructure, with less than 12 hours of warning to do anything about it. The slope, quite clearly, was pretty slippery it seems!

Sebguer 6y ago
Less than 12 hours warning? Amazon had clearly previously communicated with them before today, even having a phone call with them in the last 24 hours. Clearly provided them with examples of problematic content, which Parler didn't even do the bare minimum and remove. A bunch of companies deciding that unmoderated violence should not be given space on their platforms, or using their tools, is not a slippery slope.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > is not a slippery slope. One action is leading to another and leading to even more actions. That quite clearly falls under the principle of a slippery slope. That is what people mean when they say "slippery slope". Imagine like an actual slope. That is slippery, because it has greese on it. And you slip down the slope. Clearly, we are slipping down that slope very quickly. First it was action X, which everyone agrees was done against someone who deserved it, then it was action Y which was an escalation, and then it was action Z that was another escalation. Surely you should see how it is an escalation to go from "A couple nazis get banned on twitter", to where we are at now which it important computing infrastructure kicking major services off of the platform?
  - 6y ago