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> if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? Even more polarization in society; both groups talking only to them

> if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? Even more polarization in society; both groups talking only to themselves, zero dialogue between the groups and no chance to hear an opposing opinion (you had that one with twitter). i hope this won't be the prelude to a more serious rift occuring in the real world.

dannyw 6y ago
It’s already happened. Since reddit banned r/theDonald, followers migrated over to their own site, thedonald.win. They are now much bigger in traffic, and called for storming of the capital building on Jan 6th. Because only Trump supporters really visit that site, no one called it out despite the Jan 6th events being organised by millions right in the open. If reddit didn’t ban TD, this wouldn’t have happened. It wouldn’t have become this radicalised.
- justaguy88 6y ago
  This isn't reddit's fault
  - dannyw 6y ago
    If politicians fail to pass gun reform and there’s a miss shooting, you could argue that both (1) the mass shooter and (2) politicians are at fault. Please explain why you think reddit has no fault in this, when their moderation decisions has directly led to the largest radical right-wing community on the internet. Reddit could have contained TD. It chose to say “not my problem”?, and let them make an even more radical website.
    - ARandomerDude 6y ago
      > there's a miss shooting The good news is no one will get hurt! :)
    - biaachmonkie 6y ago
      That is some pretty twisted logic you have there. This same ass-backwards logic is being used by some now to blame Joe Biden for the Capitol Riot. How dare Biden have won the election, he should have let trump win to prevent Trumps violent mob from sacking the Capitol Building. No one should give in to the violent, hateful, irrational and seditious mob of Trump supporting Fascist thugs that are increasingly making up more and more of the right wing. They need to be crushed politically and shoved back into their basements. Capitulating to these Fascist thugs even in the slightest has shown that it will only lead to them being emboldened and pushing further and further into Authoritarianism. They don't care about Democracy or Rule of Law, only forcing their views on the rest of society violently!
      - xnx 6y ago
        There is a consistent logic to Trump and his followers: they are never to blame. Direct quote: "I don't take any responsibility at all"
    - x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
      This comment is a mess. The fact that Reddit has banned /r/T_D does not make them liable in any way for what that community migrates to. These people espouse an ideology of "personal responsibility", yet it's Reddit's fault that they are choosing to interact with a more extreme website?
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      Because Reddit is not the police? Maybe the FBI should have as much knowledge about where the treasonous Trump supporters are meeting up as you do.
- lumpenprole 6y ago
  Oh puhleez. Now it's Reddit's fault? The rest of us are supposed to spend our time keeping these wingnuts from radicalizing themselves?
  - dannyw 6y ago
    No, you should attack the strongest interpretation of my argument, which is that banning communities only lead to them regrouping and becoming even more polarised and radical. As it has happened here.
    - lumpenprole 6y ago
      Since this "community" actually attacked the Capitol I think it's safe to say that they're already radical. Why should we continue to appease them?
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    That's a good job for an FBI task force.
    - dang 6y ago
      You've been repeatedly adding to political flamewars on HN. Please stop. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've had to ask you this more than once before. Continuing will get you banned here, so please don't.
  - dang 6y ago
    We've banned this account for trolling. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
lumpenprole 6y ago
Twitter isn't censoring the vast majority of people. One group will be the vast majority of people who don't get kicked off Twitter. The other group will be a relatively tiny collection of extremists.
- MichaelMoser123 6y ago
  https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1347898774891491332 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1347898774891491332 Glenn Greenwald says they are leaving in droves (or are being kicked out, not sure on that).
  - lumpenprole 6y ago
    Interesting. Is anyone with a shred of credibility confirming that?
    - pppppp_ 6y ago
      Actually Glenn Greenwald is the most credible journalist in my opinion. Who speaks to power no matter what. I have a word with right wing friends. For years and years you supported removal Palestinian activists from Twitter or any other platform. I think you understand what it feels.
      - pppppp_ 6y ago
        For those who are keep downvoting me. It just shows you are fucking imbecile and/or ignorant. Keep censoring people, I am eager to see how that is going to work for you.
        dang 6y ago
        We've banned this account for obvious reasons, and if you keep creating accounts to abuse HN we will ban your main account as well. No more of this please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

dannyw 6y ago

It’s already happened. Since reddit banned r/theDonald, followers migrated over to their own site, thedonald.win. They are now much bigger in traffic, and called for storming of the capital building on Jan 6th. Because only Trump supporters really visit that site, no one called it out despite the Jan 6th events being organised by millions right in the open. If reddit didn’t ban TD, this wouldn’t have happened. It wouldn’t have become this radicalised.

justaguy88 6y ago
This isn't reddit's fault
- dannyw 6y ago
  If politicians fail to pass gun reform and there’s a miss shooting, you could argue that both (1) the mass shooter and (2) politicians are at fault. Please explain why you think reddit has no fault in this, when their moderation decisions has directly led to the largest radical right-wing community on the internet. Reddit could have contained TD. It chose to say “not my problem”?, and let them make an even more radical website.
  - ARandomerDude 6y ago
    > there's a miss shooting The good news is no one will get hurt! :)
  - biaachmonkie 6y ago
    That is some pretty twisted logic you have there. This same ass-backwards logic is being used by some now to blame Joe Biden for the Capitol Riot. How dare Biden have won the election, he should have let trump win to prevent Trumps violent mob from sacking the Capitol Building. No one should give in to the violent, hateful, irrational and seditious mob of Trump supporting Fascist thugs that are increasingly making up more and more of the right wing. They need to be crushed politically and shoved back into their basements. Capitulating to these Fascist thugs even in the slightest has shown that it will only lead to them being emboldened and pushing further and further into Authoritarianism. They don't care about Democracy or Rule of Law, only forcing their views on the rest of society violently!
    - xnx 6y ago
      There is a consistent logic to Trump and his followers: they are never to blame. Direct quote: "I don't take any responsibility at all"
  - x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
    This comment is a mess. The fact that Reddit has banned /r/T_D does not make them liable in any way for what that community migrates to. These people espouse an ideology of "personal responsibility", yet it's Reddit's fault that they are choosing to interact with a more extreme website?
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    Because Reddit is not the police? Maybe the FBI should have as much knowledge about where the treasonous Trump supporters are meeting up as you do.
lumpenprole 6y ago
Oh puhleez. Now it's Reddit's fault? The rest of us are supposed to spend our time keeping these wingnuts from radicalizing themselves?
- dannyw 6y ago
  No, you should attack the strongest interpretation of my argument, which is that banning communities only lead to them regrouping and becoming even more polarised and radical. As it has happened here.
  - lumpenprole 6y ago
    Since this "community" actually attacked the Capitol I think it's safe to say that they're already radical. Why should we continue to appease them?
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  That's a good job for an FBI task force.
  - dang 6y ago
    You've been repeatedly adding to political flamewars on HN. Please stop. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've had to ask you this more than once before. Continuing will get you banned here, so please don't.
- dang 6y ago
  We've banned this account for trolling. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

lumpenprole 6y ago

Twitter isn't censoring the vast majority of people. One group will be the vast majority of people who don't get kicked off Twitter. The other group will be a relatively tiny collection of extremists.

MichaelMoser123 6y ago
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1347898774891491332 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1347898774891491332 Glenn Greenwald says they are leaving in droves (or are being kicked out, not sure on that).
- lumpenprole 6y ago
  Interesting. Is anyone with a shred of credibility confirming that?
  - pppppp_ 6y ago
    Actually Glenn Greenwald is the most credible journalist in my opinion. Who speaks to power no matter what. I have a word with right wing friends. For years and years you supported removal Palestinian activists from Twitter or any other platform. I think you understand what it feels.
    - pppppp_ 6y ago
      For those who are keep downvoting me. It just shows you are fucking imbecile and/or ignorant. Keep censoring people, I am eager to see how that is going to work for you.
      - dang 6y ago
        We've banned this account for obvious reasons, and if you keep creating accounts to abuse HN we will ban your main account as well. No more of this please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.