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Make your own social media service, they said. Where does this end? What's the endgame?
by euler_angles 6y ago
Make your own social media service, they said. Where does this end? What's the endgame?
- trianglem 6y agoStarve fascism of air? Isn’t it obvious?
- optimalsolver 6y agoParler are free to spin up their own servers.
- yew 6y agoNot if we know their names and shame anyone who sells them hardware, they won't be.
- optimalsolver 6y agoYou can buy secondhand servers in loads of places with cash purchases. The boys on /r/datahoarder do it all the time. This isn't rocket science, but perhaps I'm overestimating the type of people who would would run a service like Parler.
- yew 6y agoDon't they get most of their hardware off eBay these days? (Not that I'm incredibly familiar with that space - I'm more interested in serious redundancy for small important files.) Anyway, the government has plenty of experience handling terrorists dealing in cash. It doesn't need to be perfect.
- agiroth 6y agoNo seriously how deep does this go? Private internet? Balkanize the world so that the only possible outcome is war? This isn't being thought through.
- jumelles 6y agoNo one has a right to incite violence.
- jimmygrapes 6y agoThe incoming VP spent all summer doing exactly that
- agiroth 6y agoI haven't used Parler but I'd wager the vast majority of its content isn't. If you want to pick out content, I guarantee I can match post for post with something identical on Twitter. So why isn't Twitter being targeted? If the organizing purpose of Parler was incitement and insurrection, sure. But it isn't. And that means they still get 230 protections whether you like it or not.
- DarmokJalad1701 6y ago> So why isn't Twitter being targeted? Because Twitter moderates and removes content that breaks the law.
- agiroth 6y agoNo it absolutely does not.
- dukeofdoom 6y agoI'm no longer convinced this isn't thought through. The Biden admin and big tech are working together on this.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y agoNo one is going to Balkanize the internet over Parler. Just because Parler is near and dear to the readership on this site doesn't mean anyone else is going to make moves because of what's happening to it.
- doubleunplussed 6y agoDNS servers can refuse to list them. ISPs can block their IP. Landlords can refuse to rent to them. Banks can refuse to open accounts for them. The world is so interconnected, and daily life depends on private companies so strongly, that if someone is disliked enough they can be made homeless, jobless and destitute. "Spin up their own servers" is just the next step we're up to. It's by no means the last. How deep does it go?
- ridaj 6y agoThe endgame is private, end-to-end encrypted group chats. Whatsapp is probably used just as much for insurrection planning but it's all dark to Facebook; they don't have to moderate it, because they have no visibility over it. Could be WhatsApp or anything else that offers end-to-end encryption.
- intended 6y agoThis is the winner. I completely agree and see this going exactly here. The net result will be that this end to end encryption becomes a terror for all governments - even ones that ride to power using these tools. This means that the pressure to add backdoors or even front doors to this kind of content will win out. I'll assume that 10 years is enough time for that? I really cant see any solution other than embracing dystopia.
- ridaj 6y agoThere will be pressure to add backdoors, but even without them it's not a complete loss — police methods used since time immemorial are able to get information on private groups (undercover infiltration, confidential informants, plea bargains, etc.)
- trthomps 6y agoPersonally I think this is for the best, keeps extremism at the fringes instead of easily accessible.
- raldi 6y agoNo more aiding and abetting conspirators of mass-assassination events?
- geodel 6y agoIt is simple really. Don't have "wrong" political opinion. (Not my POV in case it is not clear)
- raldi 6y agoWho was silenced for having the wrong opinion?
- wsatb 6y agoIf you create an "anything goes" application, you better go into it knowing the main cloud providers probably are not going to keep you around if you do not adhere to their policy. If their infrastructure is well engineered, this shouldn't make a difference. I don't have a lot of confidence in their founder though, he's always seemed in over his head.