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I agree that Parler should be shut down, but going forward I think we need to rely on court systems with due process (or some new alternative system that specif

I agree that Parler should be shut down, but going forward I think we need to rely on court systems with due process (or some new alternative system that specifically addresses digital censorship). I’m afraid of this becoming the norm. Public discourse increasingly relies on these corporate platforms. I don’t think everyone quite understands the implications of normalizing this behavior, and to me that’s frightening.

tptacek 6y ago
For the record: I don't know if "shut down" is the optimal outcome. Credible moderation --- "no appeals to violence" --- would take it from dangerous to mere odiousness. But I don't know that anyone has a right to demand any private business host odious content, either. But it's Parler's problem that they've hit this point with so little time to build credible moderation, not anybody else's. Me sowing, me reaping, &c &c.
- TylerE 6y ago
  Do you really expect "credible moderation" given that giving the RWNJ's a home is their stated business plan? (And no - it isn't free speech, they're quite happy to ban non-conservatives)
  - tptacek 6y ago
    I don't, but I'm just saying it could be done.
UnpossibleJim 6y ago
To be clear, it isn't being shut down. A private company has chosen not to host it on its servers. They can invest in servers and host it themselves, if they so choose. It may seem like splitting hairs, but it is an important distinction to make.
- DJPocari 6y ago
  Sure that's possible, but what if their domain registrar disables their domain name? What if Verizon limits web traffic to and from the website? The idea that that could happen used to be far fetched, but now I wouldn't be surprised.
  - quickthrowman 6y ago
    Then perhaps letting people plot insurrection and violence against politicians and pretending you can’t moderate them isn’t a working business model.
    - kristofferR 6y ago
      AI moderation bots, here we come. And people complain about ContentID on Youtube...
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - ip26 6y ago
    Then they can find a registrar who wants their business.
  - UnpossibleJim 6y ago
    Domain registars seems a bit more of a sticky wicket. That is quite a bit more complex than simply hosting your own website, and I have no way around it and I'm unsure as to what the solution should be, TBH. I'd say it should be under governmental control, but they move at a snail's pace and I doubt they could handle the volume. As for monitoring and throttling personal web traffic from our homes, that's long been an issue which is already an issue and not just with Verizon. EFF has brought suit in the courts, but to no avail, as of yet. So as for being far fetched, not only is it not, it's happening now. Comcast regularly throttles traffic to gaming sites/services during peak television hours. What's the difference?
- analogdreams 6y ago

tptacek 6y ago

For the record: I don't know if "shut down" is the optimal outcome. Credible moderation --- "no appeals to violence" --- would take it from dangerous to mere odiousness. But I don't know that anyone has a right to demand any private business host odious content, either. But it's Parler's problem that they've hit this point with so little time to build credible moderation, not anybody else's. Me sowing, me reaping, &c &c.

TylerE 6y ago
Do you really expect "credible moderation" given that giving the RWNJ's a home is their stated business plan? (And no - it isn't free speech, they're quite happy to ban non-conservatives)
- tptacek 6y ago
  I don't, but I'm just saying it could be done.

UnpossibleJim 6y ago

To be clear, it isn't being shut down. A private company has chosen not to host it on its servers. They can invest in servers and host it themselves, if they so choose. It may seem like splitting hairs, but it is an important distinction to make.

DJPocari 6y ago
Sure that's possible, but what if their domain registrar disables their domain name? What if Verizon limits web traffic to and from the website? The idea that that could happen used to be far fetched, but now I wouldn't be surprised.
- quickthrowman 6y ago
  Then perhaps letting people plot insurrection and violence against politicians and pretending you can’t moderate them isn’t a working business model.
  - kristofferR 6y ago
    AI moderation bots, here we come. And people complain about ContentID on Youtube...
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- ip26 6y ago
  Then they can find a registrar who wants their business.
- UnpossibleJim 6y ago
  Domain registars seems a bit more of a sticky wicket. That is quite a bit more complex than simply hosting your own website, and I have no way around it and I'm unsure as to what the solution should be, TBH. I'd say it should be under governmental control, but they move at a snail's pace and I doubt they could handle the volume. As for monitoring and throttling personal web traffic from our homes, that's long been an issue which is already an issue and not just with Verizon. EFF has brought suit in the courts, but to no avail, as of yet. So as for being far fetched, not only is it not, it's happening now. Comcast regularly throttles traffic to gaming sites/services during peak television hours. What's the difference?
analogdreams 6y ago