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Are all of the people here who are saying that parler is full of all sorts of bad things actually on the website, or are you just sortof assuming that? I went

by blhack 6y ago

Are all of the people here who are saying that parler is full of all sorts of bad things actually on the website, or are you just sortof assuming that? I went to go look at the site, and it requires me to sign in to do anything, and that requires a phone number. I don't want to give them my phone number. Have you guys all seriously gone and signed up for accounts, given these people your phone number, and actually gone looking around? I have family members who use this website. They're not neo nazis who are planning political violence, and I know for a fact that they would be mortified to know of somebody who fit that description in their social group. They're your standard issue Irish Catholics from northern Minnesota who heard that conservatives weren't allowed on twitter anymore, so they went and signed up for parler accounts (a petty revolution, but there isn't a lot to do in N. Minnesota in January except ice fish and snowmobile).

CryptoGhost 6y ago
It's a fair distinction. Applications that have private messaging systems that have exchanged all sorts of bad / illegal content to parties haven't been cancelled by their hosts or held up to such high moderation standards.
ceejayoz 6y ago
Screenshot examples aren't hard to come by. 30 seconds of searching Twitter: https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1347969923289657344 https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1347969923289657344 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1347957434120351748 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/134795743412035174... https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753 https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753 The @parlertakes account is a gold mine for it, if you're genuinely interested.
- blhack 6y ago
  I'm not saying that there isn't violent content there. I'm sure there is, but there is also violent content on reddit, tik tok, twitter, facebook, and every other social media site that has ever existed. My point is just: it seems like people are claiming that parler exists only for this content, or that they're somehow encouraging it or something. But I'm just curious how people came to this conclusion if none of us even have accounts there. I have seen some interviews with staff members there and they just seem like normal business-type people.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > I'm sure there is, but there is also violent content on reddit, tik tok, twitter, facebook, and every other social media site that has ever existed. Amazon says this in the article: > This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken down much of the content that we’ve sent you. I suspect the other sites you cite tend to take down violent/illegal content when flagged by their providers, not leave it up.
  - timmytokyo 6y ago
    I agree with you that the violent content is probably a very small fraction of the total content on Parler. But, this is where much of the planning for violent events surrounding the inauguration is taking place. And Parler is refusing to remove violent content expeditiously. What do you propose as the solution?
scarecrowbob 6y ago
I think your point is legit. I don't have an account because I didn't want to find a burner phone. One of the things I do is pay a lot of attention to the rhetoric of people on the US right... I've been trying to understand what all is being said and why, and my general understanding is that there are a lot of folks with legit grievances filtering them through highly, uh, metaphorical understandings of reality. A lot of what I see in other media taken from Parler is out-and-out falsehoods about the world. And I have seen quite a lot of content in the various right-wing FB groups I have been in... enough that I don't feel like I have no gauge for what the discourse there looks like. You're correct that they aren't directly "planning political violence". However, it is a system where there are unchallenged and wholly fictitious views of the world being spread as if they were the patent truth. That's legal, but it's the epistemic equivalent of smoking meth and if I were a tech company interested in the continued function of the US I'd do everything in my power to stop that process.
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yew 6y ago
If you have family members who use the site, you have family members who are fascists. I'd recommend cutting ties before that catches up with you.
timmytokyo 6y ago
A small sample: https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753 https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1347957434120351748 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/134795743412035174... https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1347253748444389377/photo/1 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1347253748444389377/photo... https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/1347090883036983299 https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/134709088303698329... https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347293348386664449 https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347293348386664449 https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347609631527489537 https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347609631527489537 https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/1347090883036983299 https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/134709088303698329...
jazzyjackson 6y ago
There's a subreddit parlerwatch that's screenshotting as much of the violence-oriented stuff as possible. It's definitely big with the qanon types and followers of Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, calling for the execution of mike pence etc. https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/
- nrmitchi 6y ago
  I think OP's point is that if you're only reporting on violent stuff, it's going to look 100% violent, even if the majority of the content is not. Violence-inducing content is obviously not okay, but it's not fair to ignore literally everything else and then claim 100% of content is violent.
wincy 6y ago
I signed up for Parler and just get updates from Tulsi Gabbard. I didn’t realize I was such a revolutionary.

by blhack 6y ago

CryptoGhost 6y ago

It's a fair distinction. Applications that have private messaging systems that have exchanged all sorts of bad / illegal content to parties haven't been cancelled by their hosts or held up to such high moderation standards.

ceejayoz 6y ago

Screenshot examples aren't hard to come by. 30 seconds of searching Twitter: https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1347969923289657344 https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1347969923289657344 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1347957434120351748 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/134795743412035174... https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753 https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753 The @parlertakes account is a gold mine for it, if you're genuinely interested.

blhack 6y ago
I'm not saying that there isn't violent content there. I'm sure there is, but there is also violent content on reddit, tik tok, twitter, facebook, and every other social media site that has ever existed. My point is just: it seems like people are claiming that parler exists only for this content, or that they're somehow encouraging it or something. But I'm just curious how people came to this conclusion if none of us even have accounts there. I have seen some interviews with staff members there and they just seem like normal business-type people.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > I'm sure there is, but there is also violent content on reddit, tik tok, twitter, facebook, and every other social media site that has ever existed. Amazon says this in the article: > This is further demonstrated by the fact that you still have not taken down much of the content that we’ve sent you. I suspect the other sites you cite tend to take down violent/illegal content when flagged by their providers, not leave it up.
- timmytokyo 6y ago
  I agree with you that the violent content is probably a very small fraction of the total content on Parler. But, this is where much of the planning for violent events surrounding the inauguration is taking place. And Parler is refusing to remove violent content expeditiously. What do you propose as the solution?

scarecrowbob 6y ago

I think your point is legit. I don't have an account because I didn't want to find a burner phone. One of the things I do is pay a lot of attention to the rhetoric of people on the US right... I've been trying to understand what all is being said and why, and my general understanding is that there are a lot of folks with legit grievances filtering them through highly, uh, metaphorical understandings of reality. A lot of what I see in other media taken from Parler is out-and-out falsehoods about the world. And I have seen quite a lot of content in the various right-wing FB groups I have been in... enough that I don't feel like I have no gauge for what the discourse there looks like. You're correct that they aren't directly "planning political violence". However, it is a system where there are unchallenged and wholly fictitious views of the world being spread as if they were the patent truth. That's legal, but it's the epistemic equivalent of smoking meth and if I were a tech company interested in the continued function of the US I'd do everything in my power to stop that process.

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yew 6y ago

If you have family members who use the site, you have family members who are fascists. I'd recommend cutting ties before that catches up with you.

timmytokyo 6y ago

A small sample: https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753 https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347050705110986753 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1347957434120351748 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/134795743412035174... https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1347253748444389377/photo/1 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1347253748444389377/photo... https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/1347090883036983299 https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/134709088303698329... https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347293348386664449 https://twitter.com/parlertakes/status/1347293348386664449 https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347609631527489537 https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347609631527489537 https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/1347090883036983299 https://twitter.com/EricHaftelLive/status/134709088303698329...

jazzyjackson 6y ago

There's a subreddit parlerwatch that's screenshotting as much of the violence-oriented stuff as possible. It's definitely big with the qanon types and followers of Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, calling for the execution of mike pence etc. https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/

nrmitchi 6y ago
I think OP's point is that if you're only reporting on violent stuff, it's going to look 100% violent, even if the majority of the content is not. Violence-inducing content is obviously not okay, but it's not fair to ignore literally everything else and then claim 100% of content is violent.

wincy 6y ago

I signed up for Parler and just get updates from Tulsi Gabbard. I didn’t realize I was such a revolutionary.