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You can’t label everything you disagree with as extremism. Advocate for the destruction of Israel on the basis that the Muslim god said so? That’s extremism. Ho

You can’t label everything you disagree with as extremism. Advocate for the destruction of Israel on the basis that the Muslim god said so? That’s extremism. Holding different political views? That’s part of being a healthy and diverse society. I wish Americans would grow up and learn to coexist.

Rebelgecko 6y ago
The problem is that a lot of these websites that exist as a safe haven for those who have been deplatformed are cesspools. The early adopters are the most toxic people, and things just go downhill from there. Seriously, go look at parler or voat. Here's an archive the voat post where it's shutdown was announced: https://archive.is/0kOST https://archive.is/0kOST Open it up and Control-F the n word or any antisemetic slur. That's not the sort of discourse you'd expect on a healthy and diverse platform. Edit: I should add that the threshold for Youtube demonetization is probably lower than the threshold for getting a subreddit banned, so maybe Peertube won't face the same fate. The federated model might help too, does each Peertube instance behave like a separate community? Are there any instances with communities yet?
- Shared404 6y ago
  > Are there any instances with communities yet? I don't know about instances with communities, but at least the Blender community has an instance.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  So you provide the tools for users to moderate their own content,. I understand that my email provider has a spam filter, but it would be unacceptable if I was unable to tweak those settings myself. Why do we expect anything less from social media?
- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  Considering that Gab has (kind of) "joined" Mastodon, and Mastodon hasn't collapsed into a garbage fire, federated and/or decentralized services seem to be resistant to this issue.
dicknuckle 6y ago
advocating for the overthrow of an entire government or murder of certain politicians based on a conspiracy theory? extremism.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Yep, lucky for you, your fan fiction can use this platform as well!
  - cinquemb 6y ago
    I can't stop thinking about this… lol "… What about Twitter? I have no idea what Twitter is good for. But if it flips out every tyrant in the Middle East, I'm interested." - Michael Rogers, Founder, Practical Futurist; Futurist-in-Residence, New York Times Company[0] http://web.archive.org/web/20140531073143/http://www.cfr.org:80/technology-and-foreign-policy/technology-policymaking-future/p33025 http://web.archive.org/web/20140531073143/http://www.cfr.org...
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
The irony of this getting downvoted. And this.
- Sebguer 6y ago
  People downvoting you is not censorship.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    Blue is not red. Any other arbitrary facts we should share?
frogpelt 6y ago
The paradox is that when you treat people you disagree with as extremists, you create more extremism.
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dang 6y ago
Please don't post political or religious flamebait to HN. This comment is seriously not cool—it's basically starting yet another fire where there wasn't one already burning. HN is burning in 17 different places right now and we need users like you to refrain from arson and/or criminal negligence. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25708006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25708006.
- wGeF7H8Z59y985y 6y ago
  You can’t have your cake and eat it too, dang. You’re asking us to refrain from politics in the same breath in which you’re sweeping any sign of dissent under the rug. No wonder your house is on fire! This whole damn country is on fire, and you don’t fight fires with more gasoline.
  - cinquemb 6y ago
    Moral hazards coming due… nothing to see here… lol
  - dang 6y ago
    That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking people to stick to the site guidelines. The rules don't stop applying when a topic is political—on the contrary, they apply more. "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." We ban accounts that consistently disrespect those rules and ignore our requests to correct this. What else would we do? The alternative is to allow a minority of flamewarring users to destroy the entire commons for everybody. As for 'sweeping dissent under the rug', that's not what we're doing at all. People with dissenting views and people with non-dissenting views both need to follow the rules here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Rebelgecko 6y ago

The problem is that a lot of these websites that exist as a safe haven for those who have been deplatformed are cesspools. The early adopters are the most toxic people, and things just go downhill from there. Seriously, go look at parler or voat. Here's an archive the voat post where it's shutdown was announced: https://archive.is/0kOST https://archive.is/0kOST Open it up and Control-F the n word or any antisemetic slur. That's not the sort of discourse you'd expect on a healthy and diverse platform. Edit: I should add that the threshold for Youtube demonetization is probably lower than the threshold for getting a subreddit banned, so maybe Peertube won't face the same fate. The federated model might help too, does each Peertube instance behave like a separate community? Are there any instances with communities yet?

Shared404 6y ago
> Are there any instances with communities yet? I don't know about instances with communities, but at least the Blender community has an instance.
chrisco255 6y ago
So you provide the tools for users to moderate their own content,. I understand that my email provider has a spam filter, but it would be unacceptable if I was unable to tweak those settings myself. Why do we expect anything less from social media?
BlueTemplar 6y ago
Considering that Gab has (kind of) "joined" Mastodon, and Mastodon hasn't collapsed into a garbage fire, federated and/or decentralized services seem to be resistant to this issue.

dicknuckle 6y ago

advocating for the overthrow of an entire government or murder of certain politicians based on a conspiracy theory? extremism.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Yep, lucky for you, your fan fiction can use this platform as well!
- cinquemb 6y ago
  I can't stop thinking about this… lol "… What about Twitter? I have no idea what Twitter is good for. But if it flips out every tyrant in the Middle East, I'm interested." - Michael Rogers, Founder, Practical Futurist; Futurist-in-Residence, New York Times Company[0] http://web.archive.org/web/20140531073143/http://www.cfr.org:80/technology-and-foreign-policy/technology-policymaking-future/p33025 http://web.archive.org/web/20140531073143/http://www.cfr.org...

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

The irony of this getting downvoted. And this.

Sebguer 6y ago
People downvoting you is not censorship.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Blue is not red. Any other arbitrary facts we should share?

frogpelt 6y ago

The paradox is that when you treat people you disagree with as extremists, you create more extremism.

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dang 6y ago

Please don't post political or religious flamebait to HN. This comment is seriously not cool—it's basically starting yet another fire where there wasn't one already burning. HN is burning in 17 different places right now and we need users like you to refrain from arson and/or criminal negligence. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25708006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25708006.

wGeF7H8Z59y985y 6y ago
You can’t have your cake and eat it too, dang. You’re asking us to refrain from politics in the same breath in which you’re sweeping any sign of dissent under the rug. No wonder your house is on fire! This whole damn country is on fire, and you don’t fight fires with more gasoline.
- cinquemb 6y ago
  Moral hazards coming due… nothing to see here… lol
- dang 6y ago
  That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking people to stick to the site guidelines. The rules don't stop applying when a topic is political—on the contrary, they apply more. "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." We ban accounts that consistently disrespect those rules and ignore our requests to correct this. What else would we do? The alternative is to allow a minority of flamewarring users to destroy the entire commons for everybody. As for 'sweeping dissent under the rug', that's not what we're doing at all. People with dissenting views and people with non-dissenting views both need to follow the rules here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html