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People on the left are mistaken if they think this is going to help. Someone somewhere in the country will plot something. We are playing with fire with these t

People on the left are mistaken if they think this is going to help. Someone somewhere in the country will plot something. We are playing with fire with these type of restrictions, root causes are not being solved. 75 million people voted for Donald Trump.

lumpenprole 6y ago
Everything but appeasement with these people is "playing with fire". 82 million people are tired of it.
- pupdogg 6y ago
  With only a slight difference...if there is an all out war, 75 million people show up only to counter 6. My opinion is strictly based on the turnouts I’ve seen at their rallies.
- casefields 6y ago
  Vs 74 million that have a disproportionate amount of weaponry. A disproportionate amount of law enforcement. A disproportionate amount of the military. I'd take that group to win any day. You've got the suburbs and inner city's. Controlling big tech, big media, education institutions, aren't going to help in this scenario. Oh and lot a degrees. Death by paper cuts maybe?
  - lumpenprole 6y ago
    The plural of city is cities.
  - conception 6y ago
    And money. You forgot that part.
    - lumpenprole 6y ago
      Good point. Someone has to pay for their disability benefits.
pupdogg 6y ago
I’ve warned on the same point. I hope notice is taken before it’s too late.
shadowgovt 6y ago
They will, of course. No need to make it easy for them to do it. Keep them off large-cast channels, let the FBI watch the small-cast.
walls 6y ago
'We really shouldn't deplatform these terrorists because they might just do something extreme' get the fuck out of here.
- danko 6y ago
  Bingo. It was that kind of thinking that put Neville Chamberlin in the dunk tank of history.
- logicslave 6y ago
  Put your name in your profile, I dare you
fatbird 6y ago
When you make it harder, or at least less convenient, for that someone, somewhere, to plot something, you're taking concrete steps to improve public safety and deter crime. Just because plots will occur is not a reason to avoid making it harder for them to succeed.
fallingfrog 6y ago
It’s the neoliberal center that controls the big tech companies, not the left. The left is scrappy neighborhood groups of activists that run soup kitchens and lie down in front of oil pipelines and collect signatures for ballot referendums. They gather in coffee shop bookstores to have book clubs on malatesta. They’re flat broke and half of them are homeless and based on what I’m hearing they’re pretty much convinced that they’re next on the censorship list. I mean you can’t really look at those kids and Jeff Bezos and say, hmm, looks the same to me.
- cmrdporcupine 6y ago
  Yep. There's a left wing inside the Democratic party, but the Democratic party is not left wing. George Soros is not "left wing" Bill Clinton was not "left", and Hilary wasn't either. It's not even a question of what's relative. They don't even call themselves "left." I spent much of my 20s and 30s in the organized and unorganized left, as an activist. Back then (90s, mostly), globalization was the enemy, not the goal. We were tear gassed at the Summit of the Americas in Quebec City protesting the negotiation of trade agreements. It's a strange world to see now people lump BLM and Bernie Sanders and your local Trotskyite sect in the same camp as Biden, and "globalists" and "George Soros." As in 1930s Germany, the far right has adopted certain clasically left positions on certain issues in order to mobilize the working class, but for opposite goals. Many of the slogans chanted in the Capitol building the other day ("whose house? our house?") are directly lifted from left wing activists. Nothing speaks to the disintegration and loss of the actual socialist left in North America more than the fact people can't identify them anymore from the background neoliberalism of the American political mainstream.
  - Pulcinella 6y ago
    Yes the left and the (often far) right will recognize the same problem but then put forth very, very different causes of and solutions to those problems. Both contrast with the center that doesn’t even agree there is a problem (e.g. healthcare).
    - cmrdporcupine 6y ago
seppin 6y ago
74* million people didn't endorse a violent mob attacking the capital, or Trump's attempts to overthrow democracy after his loss. I'm on "the right", and I want all platforms calling for violence and revolution gone. You if (we) ever want to win another election again, disowning the violence and extremism is step one. Or are you owning the mob that stormed the capital?
cstejerean 6y ago
75 million people voted for Trump, but 75 million people do not support what happened on Wednesday. A good number of the people that voted for Trump voted for him because they didn’t believe the warnings from the other side about just how unhinged Trump is. And then they got to witness this first hand this week. There’s still undoubtedly a large group of supporters who believe every word that Trump says, and who he can whip into a frenzy. And that group can absolutely do a lot of damage. But it’s nowhere near 75 million people would would be ok burning democracy down because Trump told them to.
- logicslave 6y ago
  "A good number of the people that voted for Trump voted for him because they didn’t believe the warnings from the other side about just how unhinged Trump is." Delusional and brainwashed thinking is what you are displaying https://www.statista.com/chart/23886/capitol-riot-approval/ https://www.statista.com/chart/23886/capitol-riot-approval/ Half of republicans support the riot
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    Indeed, those people had 4 years of evidence to see what exactly they were voting for. Those 75 million people get no pass from me. Maybe the first time, but not the second.

lumpenprole 6y ago

Everything but appeasement with these people is "playing with fire". 82 million people are tired of it.

pupdogg 6y ago
With only a slight difference...if there is an all out war, 75 million people show up only to counter 6. My opinion is strictly based on the turnouts I’ve seen at their rallies.
casefields 6y ago
Vs 74 million that have a disproportionate amount of weaponry. A disproportionate amount of law enforcement. A disproportionate amount of the military. I'd take that group to win any day. You've got the suburbs and inner city's. Controlling big tech, big media, education institutions, aren't going to help in this scenario. Oh and lot a degrees. Death by paper cuts maybe?
- lumpenprole 6y ago
  The plural of city is cities.
- conception 6y ago
  And money. You forgot that part.
  - lumpenprole 6y ago
    Good point. Someone has to pay for their disability benefits.

pupdogg 6y ago

I’ve warned on the same point. I hope notice is taken before it’s too late.

shadowgovt 6y ago

They will, of course. No need to make it easy for them to do it. Keep them off large-cast channels, let the FBI watch the small-cast.

walls 6y ago

'We really shouldn't deplatform these terrorists because they might just do something extreme' get the fuck out of here.

danko 6y ago
Bingo. It was that kind of thinking that put Neville Chamberlin in the dunk tank of history.
logicslave 6y ago
Put your name in your profile, I dare you

fatbird 6y ago

When you make it harder, or at least less convenient, for that someone, somewhere, to plot something, you're taking concrete steps to improve public safety and deter crime. Just because plots will occur is not a reason to avoid making it harder for them to succeed.

fallingfrog 6y ago

It’s the neoliberal center that controls the big tech companies, not the left. The left is scrappy neighborhood groups of activists that run soup kitchens and lie down in front of oil pipelines and collect signatures for ballot referendums. They gather in coffee shop bookstores to have book clubs on malatesta. They’re flat broke and half of them are homeless and based on what I’m hearing they’re pretty much convinced that they’re next on the censorship list. I mean you can’t really look at those kids and Jeff Bezos and say, hmm, looks the same to me.

cmrdporcupine 6y ago
Yep. There's a left wing inside the Democratic party, but the Democratic party is not left wing. George Soros is not "left wing" Bill Clinton was not "left", and Hilary wasn't either. It's not even a question of what's relative. They don't even call themselves "left." I spent much of my 20s and 30s in the organized and unorganized left, as an activist. Back then (90s, mostly), globalization was the enemy, not the goal. We were tear gassed at the Summit of the Americas in Quebec City protesting the negotiation of trade agreements. It's a strange world to see now people lump BLM and Bernie Sanders and your local Trotskyite sect in the same camp as Biden, and "globalists" and "George Soros." As in 1930s Germany, the far right has adopted certain clasically left positions on certain issues in order to mobilize the working class, but for opposite goals. Many of the slogans chanted in the Capitol building the other day ("whose house? our house?") are directly lifted from left wing activists. Nothing speaks to the disintegration and loss of the actual socialist left in North America more than the fact people can't identify them anymore from the background neoliberalism of the American political mainstream.
- Pulcinella 6y ago
  Yes the left and the (often far) right will recognize the same problem but then put forth very, very different causes of and solutions to those problems. Both contrast with the center that doesn’t even agree there is a problem (e.g. healthcare).
  - cmrdporcupine 6y ago

seppin 6y ago

74* million people didn't endorse a violent mob attacking the capital, or Trump's attempts to overthrow democracy after his loss. I'm on "the right", and I want all platforms calling for violence and revolution gone. You if (we) ever want to win another election again, disowning the violence and extremism is step one. Or are you owning the mob that stormed the capital?

cstejerean 6y ago

75 million people voted for Trump, but 75 million people do not support what happened on Wednesday. A good number of the people that voted for Trump voted for him because they didn’t believe the warnings from the other side about just how unhinged Trump is. And then they got to witness this first hand this week. There’s still undoubtedly a large group of supporters who believe every word that Trump says, and who he can whip into a frenzy. And that group can absolutely do a lot of damage. But it’s nowhere near 75 million people would would be ok burning democracy down because Trump told them to.

logicslave 6y ago
"A good number of the people that voted for Trump voted for him because they didn’t believe the warnings from the other side about just how unhinged Trump is." Delusional and brainwashed thinking is what you are displaying https://www.statista.com/chart/23886/capitol-riot-approval/ https://www.statista.com/chart/23886/capitol-riot-approval/ Half of republicans support the riot
- pmiller2 6y ago
  Indeed, those people had 4 years of evidence to see what exactly they were voting for. Those 75 million people get no pass from me. Maybe the first time, but not the second.