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This seems extremely relevant given everything going on. Do we have to worry about the same deplatforming and data tracking as we see on other media sites? As

by Vaslo 6y ago

This seems extremely relevant given everything going on. Do we have to worry about the same deplatforming and data tracking as we see on other media sites? Asking because I just don’t know - I don’t want to hop over just to have the same problems.

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grahamburger 6y ago
It's decentralized. You can run your own server and post your stuff on it. That doesn't guarantee you a platform in the first place, but PeerTube itself can't really deplatform you. You could be deplatformed further up the stack, though, by your hosting provider, ssl provider, DNS registrar, etc.
- lasagnaphil 6y ago
  Maybe hosting isn't that hard to do it yourself, but what about SSL and DNS, or maybe even up to the ISP level? Is it feasible for a small group of people to build infrastructure to achieve total independence from deplatforming (within charity budgets)?
  - grahamburger 6y ago
    TOR hidden services are, I think, the only quick and easy way to do this. Pirate Bay has been reasonably successful at staying accessible in the open, but not without considerable expense as I understand.
    - kristofferR 6y ago
      It's frankly astonishing the TPB still has their original .org domain.
SubiculumCode 6y ago
So will PeerTube just become a tool for extremism? Or is that a feature? Are humans actually ready for the internet? I am not so sure. Just visited parler, and imagine a whole world filled with bat shit. Crazy, right?
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  It’s almost like persuasion and dialogue is the only recourse to settling differences. Unless you want to resort to violence (which I’m told the anti-insurrectionists would /never/ do something so immoral).
- remram 6y ago
  The tool might be used for extremism, in the same sense that ffmpeg, email, and HTTP are. That is not the same as saying most users of PeerTube will be inundated with extremism though.
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- benatkin 6y ago
  Wouldn't having all speech be controlled by giant platforms be batshit? It isn't anyone's job to rescue Parler. They're locked into a cloud provider, and that was their own doing. If they can't survive, tough kitty. However, an open internet, with the ability to run apps outside of app stores (needed for new peer to peer stuff to thrive), and use of crypto would mean someone could make a Parler. Mastodon and Matrix have had major controversies.
- reddog 6y ago
  Your local community library is also full of extremism. You will find copies of The Communist Manifesto, Mein Kamph, The Turner Diaries, The Anarchist Cookbook, Platos Republic, In Defense of Selfishness and The Koran. It has “problematic” works like Huckleberry Finn, Satanic Diaries and To Kill a Mockingbird. It has works written by known racists such as HP Lovecraft, TS Elliot, Roald Dahl, Dr Seuss and Kingsley Amis. It has hard copies of dangerous films that have been memoyholed by Prime and Netflix like Gone With The Wind and The Jazz Singer. It may also have DVDs that have been produced, directed and acted in by vile, cancelled individuals like Kevin Spacey, Louise CK, Harvey Weinstein, or Mel Gibson. Good God, it might even have a copy of the Jenna in blackface episode from the third season of 30 Rock. I am clutching my pearls and getting the vapors just thinking about it.
de6u99er 6y ago
>extremely relevant given everything going on What exactly do you mean by that?
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- hug 6y ago
  Just in case this is a serious question, without editorialising, the following has happened in the past 48 hours: * Trump has been bannned from Twitter. * Trump has attempted to use the POTUS account, and had those tweets removed. * Trump has been removed from Facebook. * Trump has been banned from Twitch. * The Discord server for the_donald has been banned from Discord. * Parler has been removed from the Google Play Store and the App Store. * AWS has announced plans to discontinue Parler's hosting. And I think that's about it, for very recently. For those who support Trump, "deplatforming" is a major concern, as Trump has now lost access to essentially all of his base via social media. Once he's out of office, he's not going to have anywhere near as significant a reach as he may have.
  - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
    > For those who support Trump, "deplatforming" is a major concern, as Trump has now lost access to essentially all of his base via social media. There are also a lot of people who are concerned about the dangerous precedent being set, regardless of whether they support this individual or not.
    - hug 6y ago
      That is true, and it was remiss of me (and a good example of recency bias) to at all imply this is a Trump-specific problem.
      - BlueTemplar 6y ago
        I'm afraid that Trump's case is exceptional to the point that it's only hindering the discussion about what Twitter(/Facebook/YouTube) should be allowed or not to do.
tasogare 6y ago
Onboarding that guy on any alternative platform would be a huge marketing coverage and grow in userbase for the said platform. I wonder if a company will try to play this card.
- tomcam 6y ago
  What guy?
  - dicknuckle 6y ago
    probably trump or something.
  - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
    I think the parent is referring to the outgoing President of the U.S.
    - convery 6y ago
      Ah yes, Voldemort.. What an interesting time to be alive =P
      - cinquemb 6y ago
        He Who Must Not Be Named… the true cause of all of problems and evil… lol
      - forgingahead 6y ago
        "May you live in interesting times" is often understood to not be a positive wish!
- marcinzm 6y ago
  The issue is that then a lot of very toxic people will go to that platform and there will be a lot of very toxic content. Then all the people who aren't toxic will leave the platform because they don't want to be subjected to that content. Then advertisers will leave because they don't want their brands associated with that content. Then app stores will drop the app because they don't want their brands associated with that content. Then the platform essentially dies or stagnates.

by Vaslo 6y ago

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grahamburger 6y ago

It's decentralized. You can run your own server and post your stuff on it. That doesn't guarantee you a platform in the first place, but PeerTube itself can't really deplatform you. You could be deplatformed further up the stack, though, by your hosting provider, ssl provider, DNS registrar, etc.

lasagnaphil 6y ago
Maybe hosting isn't that hard to do it yourself, but what about SSL and DNS, or maybe even up to the ISP level? Is it feasible for a small group of people to build infrastructure to achieve total independence from deplatforming (within charity budgets)?
- grahamburger 6y ago
  TOR hidden services are, I think, the only quick and easy way to do this. Pirate Bay has been reasonably successful at staying accessible in the open, but not without considerable expense as I understand.
  - kristofferR 6y ago
    It's frankly astonishing the TPB still has their original .org domain.

SubiculumCode 6y ago

So will PeerTube just become a tool for extremism? Or is that a feature? Are humans actually ready for the internet? I am not so sure. Just visited parler, and imagine a whole world filled with bat shit. Crazy, right?

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
It’s almost like persuasion and dialogue is the only recourse to settling differences. Unless you want to resort to violence (which I’m told the anti-insurrectionists would /never/ do something so immoral).
remram 6y ago
The tool might be used for extremism, in the same sense that ffmpeg, email, and HTTP are. That is not the same as saying most users of PeerTube will be inundated with extremism though.
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benatkin 6y ago
Wouldn't having all speech be controlled by giant platforms be batshit? It isn't anyone's job to rescue Parler. They're locked into a cloud provider, and that was their own doing. If they can't survive, tough kitty. However, an open internet, with the ability to run apps outside of app stores (needed for new peer to peer stuff to thrive), and use of crypto would mean someone could make a Parler. Mastodon and Matrix have had major controversies.
reddog 6y ago
Your local community library is also full of extremism. You will find copies of The Communist Manifesto, Mein Kamph, The Turner Diaries, The Anarchist Cookbook, Platos Republic, In Defense of Selfishness and The Koran. It has “problematic” works like Huckleberry Finn, Satanic Diaries and To Kill a Mockingbird. It has works written by known racists such as HP Lovecraft, TS Elliot, Roald Dahl, Dr Seuss and Kingsley Amis. It has hard copies of dangerous films that have been memoyholed by Prime and Netflix like Gone With The Wind and The Jazz Singer. It may also have DVDs that have been produced, directed and acted in by vile, cancelled individuals like Kevin Spacey, Louise CK, Harvey Weinstein, or Mel Gibson. Good God, it might even have a copy of the Jenna in blackface episode from the third season of 30 Rock. I am clutching my pearls and getting the vapors just thinking about it.

de6u99er 6y ago

>extremely relevant given everything going on What exactly do you mean by that?

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hug 6y ago
Just in case this is a serious question, without editorialising, the following has happened in the past 48 hours: * Trump has been bannned from Twitter. * Trump has attempted to use the POTUS account, and had those tweets removed. * Trump has been removed from Facebook. * Trump has been banned from Twitch. * The Discord server for the_donald has been banned from Discord. * Parler has been removed from the Google Play Store and the App Store. * AWS has announced plans to discontinue Parler's hosting. And I think that's about it, for very recently. For those who support Trump, "deplatforming" is a major concern, as Trump has now lost access to essentially all of his base via social media. Once he's out of office, he's not going to have anywhere near as significant a reach as he may have.
- blisterpeanuts 6y ago
  > For those who support Trump, "deplatforming" is a major concern, as Trump has now lost access to essentially all of his base via social media. There are also a lot of people who are concerned about the dangerous precedent being set, regardless of whether they support this individual or not.
  - hug 6y ago
    That is true, and it was remiss of me (and a good example of recency bias) to at all imply this is a Trump-specific problem.
    - BlueTemplar 6y ago
      I'm afraid that Trump's case is exceptional to the point that it's only hindering the discussion about what Twitter(/Facebook/YouTube) should be allowed or not to do.

tasogare 6y ago

Onboarding that guy on any alternative platform would be a huge marketing coverage and grow in userbase for the said platform. I wonder if a company will try to play this card.

tomcam 6y ago
What guy?
- dicknuckle 6y ago
  probably trump or something.
- blisterpeanuts 6y ago
  I think the parent is referring to the outgoing President of the U.S.
  - convery 6y ago
    Ah yes, Voldemort.. What an interesting time to be alive =P
    - cinquemb 6y ago
      He Who Must Not Be Named… the true cause of all of problems and evil… lol
    - forgingahead 6y ago
      "May you live in interesting times" is often understood to not be a positive wish!
marcinzm 6y ago
The issue is that then a lot of very toxic people will go to that platform and there will be a lot of very toxic content. Then all the people who aren't toxic will leave the platform because they don't want to be subjected to that content. Then advertisers will leave because they don't want their brands associated with that content. Then app stores will drop the app because they don't want their brands associated with that content. Then the platform essentially dies or stagnates.