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Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods

Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
Are you familiar with the capitol bombing, Bill Ayers, weather underground, and Obama launching his political career from Ayer’s house? Ayers being famous for admitting he doesn’t regret setting the bomb. Instead of being labeled a terrorist, he was made a professor and launched a lot of the social justice movement in education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-look-at-the-history-of-attacks-in-the-u-s-capitol-44-years-after-the-weather-underground-bombing/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-... https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/32072-obama-and-bill-ayers-together-from-the-beginning https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign... So... to say counterproductive isn’t taking into account history and possibility. Ayers and Obama didn’t suffer from association to each other or this domestic terrorism. Now, obviously, Trump Supporters (notice I didn’t say GOP) will find this to all have been counterproductive, agreed there in this specific case. My point about Ayers is that this is all a matter of who writes the history.
- cbradford 6y ago
  You are right. In the end the narrative is what matters. Those with the power (left, blm etc) will dictate truth regardless
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- ineedasername 6y ago
  I don't think you're refuting me by bringing up a domestic terrorist that accomplished no positive social change through their violent acts. It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency or that Ayers in any way influenced Obama to regard violence as the correct path for social change. In fact, considering the ridiculous guilt-by-association he was subject to, it's more accurate to say Obama became president despite that limited connection, not because of it. In short, the overblown Ayers-Obama link doesn't contradict my statement regarding peaceful protest.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    > I don't think you're refuting me I wasn’t trying to refute your point. Only offering a recent historical perspective where an actual terrorist organization was considered as... not that. Where the perspective is set by who is in charge. >It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency I also didn’t imply that at all. Perhaps you are just too used to arguing with people on the internet?
mercer 6y ago
How do you define non-destructive? It's possible to do peaceful protest that are nonetheless economically destructive.

Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago

Are you familiar with the capitol bombing, Bill Ayers, weather underground, and Obama launching his political career from Ayer’s house? Ayers being famous for admitting he doesn’t regret setting the bomb. Instead of being labeled a terrorist, he was made a professor and launched a lot of the social justice movement in education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-look-at-the-history-of-attacks-in-the-u-s-capitol-44-years-after-the-weather-underground-bombing/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-... https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/32072-obama-and-bill-ayers-together-from-the-beginning https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign... So... to say counterproductive isn’t taking into account history and possibility. Ayers and Obama didn’t suffer from association to each other or this domestic terrorism. Now, obviously, Trump Supporters (notice I didn’t say GOP) will find this to all have been counterproductive, agreed there in this specific case. My point about Ayers is that this is all a matter of who writes the history.

cbradford 6y ago
You are right. In the end the narrative is what matters. Those with the power (left, blm etc) will dictate truth regardless
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ineedasername 6y ago
I don't think you're refuting me by bringing up a domestic terrorist that accomplished no positive social change through their violent acts. It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency or that Ayers in any way influenced Obama to regard violence as the correct path for social change. In fact, considering the ridiculous guilt-by-association he was subject to, it's more accurate to say Obama became president despite that limited connection, not because of it. In short, the overblown Ayers-Obama link doesn't contradict my statement regarding peaceful protest.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  > I don't think you're refuting me I wasn’t trying to refute your point. Only offering a recent historical perspective where an actual terrorist organization was considered as... not that. Where the perspective is set by who is in charge. >It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency I also didn’t imply that at all. Perhaps you are just too used to arguing with people on the internet?

mercer 6y ago

How do you define non-destructive? It's possible to do peaceful protest that are nonetheless economically destructive.