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I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of

I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of this all, it’s part of their statement as Americans in America.

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omgJustTest 6y ago
As Americans in America they will also be charged with laws their president crafted, in the light of BLM protests. Too bad they are getting used by powerful Americans in america.
ineedasername 6y ago
Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  Are you familiar with the capitol bombing, Bill Ayers, weather underground, and Obama launching his political career from Ayer’s house? Ayers being famous for admitting he doesn’t regret setting the bomb. Instead of being labeled a terrorist, he was made a professor and launched a lot of the social justice movement in education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-look-at-the-history-of-attacks-in-the-u-s-capitol-44-years-after-the-weather-underground-bombing/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-... https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/32072-obama-and-bill-ayers-together-from-the-beginning https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign... So... to say counterproductive isn’t taking into account history and possibility. Ayers and Obama didn’t suffer from association to each other or this domestic terrorism. Now, obviously, Trump Supporters (notice I didn’t say GOP) will find this to all have been counterproductive, agreed there in this specific case. My point about Ayers is that this is all a matter of who writes the history.
  - cbradford 6y ago
    You are right. In the end the narrative is what matters. Those with the power (left, blm etc) will dictate truth regardless
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  - ineedasername 6y ago
    I don't think you're refuting me by bringing up a domestic terrorist that accomplished no positive social change through their violent acts. It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency or that Ayers in any way influenced Obama to regard violence as the correct path for social change. In fact, considering the ridiculous guilt-by-association he was subject to, it's more accurate to say Obama became president despite that limited connection, not because of it. In short, the overblown Ayers-Obama link doesn't contradict my statement regarding peaceful protest.
    - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
      > I don't think you're refuting me I wasn’t trying to refute your point. Only offering a recent historical perspective where an actual terrorist organization was considered as... not that. Where the perspective is set by who is in charge. >It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency I also didn’t imply that at all. Perhaps you are just too used to arguing with people on the internet?
- mercer 6y ago
  How do you define non-destructive? It's possible to do peaceful protest that are nonetheless economically destructive.
Nursie 6y ago
They don't seem to think what they did was wrong - but they also didn't seem to understand it was serious. There is a youtube video of a young woman expressing her utter shock and dismay at being maced as she literally tried to storm congress and disrupt the national democratic process. It is amazing to watch, just for how weirdly naive and entitled she is while right up saying they were trying for a revolution. What the hell did you think was going to happen?
- bigiain 6y ago
  Who knew revolution might have consequences???
- neutronicus 6y ago
  They think Law Enforcement and the military are on their side and that this protects them from consequences.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    And they think this because of the Q conspiracy, which describes an enforcement agency inside the regular one under secret control by agents against the "Deep State." Reality comes at you fast.
- function_seven 6y ago
  Is that the video where it appears she's rubbing an onion into her eye? Anyway, for another example of "they also didn't seem to understand it was serious," the quote from the feet-up-on-the-desk guy: > "I'll probably be telling them this is what happened all the way to the D.C. jail," Mr. Barnett said. He's glib about it the same way you might be about spending a night in the drunk tank after getting a little too crazy at Mardi Gras.
  - Nursie 6y ago
    It does kinda look like an onion in the first few frames there. Very odd.
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dguaraglia 6y ago
They believe in overthrowing democracy to put their gun in power. That's a crime.
jeppesen-io 6y ago
> don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in There are many people who stand up for what they belive in. What is clear, to me at least, is a group of people that belive they are protected from their actions because of what they are or what the belive in
throw0101a 6y ago
> They are standing up for what they believe in. They think of themselves as patriots, as John Wilkes Booth did: > He had spent so much time among like-minded people who hated Lincoln, and he had read so many accounts denouncing Lincoln as a tyrant bent on destroying the Constitution and "personal liberty" that he expected to be hailed as a hero. > Instead he was stunned to learn that he was being hunted down like a beast, while Lincoln was held up throughout much of the nation as a martyred saint. > Source for this: The bibliography in my biography of Lincoln. * https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1347229880635645952 https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/134722988063564595... > “This is not America,” a woman said to a small group, her voice shaking. She was crying, hysterical. “They’re shooting at us. They’re supposed to shoot BLM, but they’re shooting the patriots.” * https://archive.is/tZVFs https://archive.is/tZVFs (for paywall) * https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-insurrection-explosions/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-ins...
LASR 6y ago
Do they truly know what they believe in and consequences of what they are actually doing? Evans, IIRC immediately deleted his video where he id'ed himself. It was too late, but he tried. It indicates to me there is at least some level of realization and regret. Honestly, looking at the interviews, it seemed to me that they simply were following the instructions of the person they revere with no thought about the 20 year jail term they might face. Honestly, even myself looking at Trump's call to his base, didn't think too much of it first. This is a prime example of normalization of deviance.

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omgJustTest 6y ago

As Americans in America they will also be charged with laws their president crafted, in the light of BLM protests. Too bad they are getting used by powerful Americans in america.

ineedasername 6y ago

Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
Are you familiar with the capitol bombing, Bill Ayers, weather underground, and Obama launching his political career from Ayer’s house? Ayers being famous for admitting he doesn’t regret setting the bomb. Instead of being labeled a terrorist, he was made a professor and launched a lot of the social justice movement in education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-look-at-the-history-of-attacks-in-the-u-s-capitol-44-years-after-the-weather-underground-bombing/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-... https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/32072-obama-and-bill-ayers-together-from-the-beginning https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign... So... to say counterproductive isn’t taking into account history and possibility. Ayers and Obama didn’t suffer from association to each other or this domestic terrorism. Now, obviously, Trump Supporters (notice I didn’t say GOP) will find this to all have been counterproductive, agreed there in this specific case. My point about Ayers is that this is all a matter of who writes the history.
- cbradford 6y ago
  You are right. In the end the narrative is what matters. Those with the power (left, blm etc) will dictate truth regardless
- deleted 6y ago
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- ineedasername 6y ago
  I don't think you're refuting me by bringing up a domestic terrorist that accomplished no positive social change through their violent acts. It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency or that Ayers in any way influenced Obama to regard violence as the correct path for social change. In fact, considering the ridiculous guilt-by-association he was subject to, it's more accurate to say Obama became president despite that limited connection, not because of it. In short, the overblown Ayers-Obama link doesn't contradict my statement regarding peaceful protest.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    > I don't think you're refuting me I wasn’t trying to refute your point. Only offering a recent historical perspective where an actual terrorist organization was considered as... not that. Where the perspective is set by who is in charge. >It's a far stretch to even imply the highly limited interactions between Ayers and Obama were in some way responsible for his rise to the presidency I also didn’t imply that at all. Perhaps you are just too used to arguing with people on the internet?
mercer 6y ago
How do you define non-destructive? It's possible to do peaceful protest that are nonetheless economically destructive.

Nursie 6y ago

They don't seem to think what they did was wrong - but they also didn't seem to understand it was serious. There is a youtube video of a young woman expressing her utter shock and dismay at being maced as she literally tried to storm congress and disrupt the national democratic process. It is amazing to watch, just for how weirdly naive and entitled she is while right up saying they were trying for a revolution. What the hell did you think was going to happen?

bigiain 6y ago
Who knew revolution might have consequences???
neutronicus 6y ago
They think Law Enforcement and the military are on their side and that this protects them from consequences.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  And they think this because of the Q conspiracy, which describes an enforcement agency inside the regular one under secret control by agents against the "Deep State." Reality comes at you fast.
function_seven 6y ago
Is that the video where it appears she's rubbing an onion into her eye? Anyway, for another example of "they also didn't seem to understand it was serious," the quote from the feet-up-on-the-desk guy: > "I'll probably be telling them this is what happened all the way to the D.C. jail," Mr. Barnett said. He's glib about it the same way you might be about spending a night in the drunk tank after getting a little too crazy at Mardi Gras.
- Nursie 6y ago
  It does kinda look like an onion in the first few frames there. Very odd.
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dguaraglia 6y ago

They believe in overthrowing democracy to put their gun in power. That's a crime.

jeppesen-io 6y ago

> don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in There are many people who stand up for what they belive in. What is clear, to me at least, is a group of people that belive they are protected from their actions because of what they are or what the belive in

throw0101a 6y ago

> They are standing up for what they believe in. They think of themselves as patriots, as John Wilkes Booth did: > He had spent so much time among like-minded people who hated Lincoln, and he had read so many accounts denouncing Lincoln as a tyrant bent on destroying the Constitution and "personal liberty" that he expected to be hailed as a hero. > Instead he was stunned to learn that he was being hunted down like a beast, while Lincoln was held up throughout much of the nation as a martyred saint. > Source for this: The bibliography in my biography of Lincoln. * https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1347229880635645952 https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/134722988063564595... > “This is not America,” a woman said to a small group, her voice shaking. She was crying, hysterical. “They’re shooting at us. They’re supposed to shoot BLM, but they’re shooting the patriots.” * https://archive.is/tZVFs https://archive.is/tZVFs (for paywall) * https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-insurrection-explosions/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/capitol-trump-ins...

LASR 6y ago

Do they truly know what they believe in and consequences of what they are actually doing? Evans, IIRC immediately deleted his video where he id'ed himself. It was too late, but he tried. It indicates to me there is at least some level of realization and regret. Honestly, looking at the interviews, it seemed to me that they simply were following the instructions of the person they revere with no thought about the 20 year jail term they might face. Honestly, even myself looking at Trump's call to his base, didn't think too much of it first. This is a prime example of normalization of deviance.