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funny how all the #resistance and #defundthepolice folks are actively working with the feds and law enforcement and cheering them on

by ffggvv 6y ago

ogre_codes 6y ago
Why is that surprising when so many of these videos show cops not doing their job in a very critical moment. Tons of evidence here against the police.
- mdanger007 6y ago
  That”s the gray area no one wants to talk about: there were racist cops who let the terrorist in (and probably aided them logistically) and there were good cops getting called nigger, being smashed with fire extinguishers , risking their lives in a hopeless situation.
- Justin_K 6y ago
  Haven't the police been ordered to stand down in these situations?
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    No, the police haven't been told to "stand down" and take selfies when defending the nations capitol or congress.
- Rapzid 6y ago
  There is evidence against the police on the scene not securing the members of congress? I've only seen people spreading uninformed, BS conclusions based on out-of-context videos. Conclusions that were largely later debunked.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Been seeing more footage from the scene and I think you are right. The police on scene were largely fucked over and 2 were killed. There may have been some cops who didn't do their job, maybe even some who helped the mob, but most of them were just put in a horrible place.
ohjeez 6y ago
How is that odd? I want justice. Protect the weak, help those who are in trouble, prevent violence against the innocent. That means helping government agencies do their job, when I can. It also means ensuring that the people who we ask to protect us actually DO protect us. I see no conflict.
- sol_invictus 6y ago
  Having different sets of principles for different groups of people is what one calls partisanship; and partisanship is a very critical problem in the US right now.
  - loopz 6y ago
    So, help the multibillionaires, then?
    - sol_invictus 6y ago
      No? It means that if you support CHAZ/CHOP and condemn the Capitol events then youre a partisan hack. Either you want peace and prosperity or you don’t. You can’t cherry-pick your stance towards law based on who’s breaking it. There’s nothing hard to understand about it, but then again people love to play dumb in questions like these. I don’t understand it to be honest.
      - loopz 6y ago
        This is just too generic a complaint.
        sol_invictus 6y ago
        When you have no arguments, divert.
        deleted 6y ago
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DeepYogurt 6y ago
Funny how critics of #defundthepolice willing ignore that it has always meant #reappropriatefundsfromthepolicetosocialservicesbetterabletohandlenonviolentissues
- rayiner 6y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... > Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police It’s not some unjustified fearmongering. Anarchists literally took over part of Seattle. At my university, protestors are demanding to completely dismantle the campus police: https://www.wbez.org/stories/northwesterns-president-and-students-engage-in-heated-dispute-over-abolishing-campus-police/b08e0fcd-e9ed-4bea-bf83-216d4c1c46c9 https://www.wbez.org/stories/northwesterns-president-and-stu...
  - slothtrop 6y ago
    University antics operate in their own bubble. A fraction want abolition, but they'd also plainly say so. "Defund" by definition doesn't mean abolish.
    - rhino369 6y ago
      It does unless you expect them to work for free and pay for their own operations somehow.
      - slothtrop 6y ago
        The demands have been made abundantly clear: they want demilitarization, and other health-focused services to take over in areas where police response is overkill and inappropriate. That's literally it. This isn't hard to find.
  - tptacek 6y ago
    You're right. And yet, weirdly, it's the people who flew the Thin Blue Line flag who beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. (If this reads like snark, I don't mean it that way; I'm interested in what you think about that observation.)
blackearl 6y ago
Less so cheering them on and wishing that they did their jobs rather than taking selfies with the rioters.
Barrin92 6y ago
Not really contradictory. I trust the Feds and the intelligence community a hell of a lot more with protecting a country from sedition than your average local cop who dropped out of middle school so he can bully people of colour with a baton
- ffggvv 6y ago
  “i trust the feds and intelligence community” thought you guys learned from the patriot act and iraq war and iran contra and million other examples but guess not
  - krastanov 6y ago
    You turned a relative statement with an explicit caveat into an absolutist statement. You are being purposefully misleading.
dguaraglia 6y ago
It's also funny how the 'thin blue line' people ended up killing more police officers than all of the BLM protests put together and tried to crush one alive in a door. Very 'funny'.
loldumabove 6y ago
“Funny” how inbred arses purposefully misrepresent what “defund the police” means, and what issues people are “#resistance”-ing.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> funny how all the #resistance and #defundthepolice folks are actively working with the feds and law enforcement and cheering them on I don't know why it's funny that those groups don't conform to the right-wing propaganda about their goals. The defund/dismantle/abolish movement thinks, broadly, that law enforcement gets too big of a slice of local finding with too broad of a remit, and that there are structural and institutional defects in present local law enforcement, such that funding and functions should be shifted to other organizations, and (and the dismantle/abolish end of the spectrum) existing local monolithic paramilitary law enforcement agencies should be disbanded entirely with all of the lot responsibilities reallocated to other new and existing entities with different structures. They don't oppose the law enforcement function, nor do they, IME, generally oppose cooperation with existing law enforcement entities, within bounds of care around dangerous institutional biases one may play into with danger to oneself and other innocents while so doing. Similarly, #resist isn’t anti-government it's specifically anti-Trumpist-extremism. Cooperating with law enforcement rolling up Trump coup participants is pretty much the most on-brand #resist thing ever.

funny how all the #resistance and #defundthepolice folks are actively working with the feds and law enforcement and cheering them on

by ffggvv 6y ago

funny how all the #resistance and #defundthepolice folks are actively working with the feds and law enforcement and cheering them on

ogre_codes 6y ago

Why is that surprising when so many of these videos show cops not doing their job in a very critical moment. Tons of evidence here against the police.

mdanger007 6y ago
That”s the gray area no one wants to talk about: there were racist cops who let the terrorist in (and probably aided them logistically) and there were good cops getting called nigger, being smashed with fire extinguishers , risking their lives in a hopeless situation.
Justin_K 6y ago
Haven't the police been ordered to stand down in these situations?
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  No, the police haven't been told to "stand down" and take selfies when defending the nations capitol or congress.
Rapzid 6y ago
There is evidence against the police on the scene not securing the members of congress? I've only seen people spreading uninformed, BS conclusions based on out-of-context videos. Conclusions that were largely later debunked.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Been seeing more footage from the scene and I think you are right. The police on scene were largely fucked over and 2 were killed. There may have been some cops who didn't do their job, maybe even some who helped the mob, but most of them were just put in a horrible place.

ohjeez 6y ago

How is that odd? I want justice. Protect the weak, help those who are in trouble, prevent violence against the innocent. That means helping government agencies do their job, when I can. It also means ensuring that the people who we ask to protect us actually DO protect us. I see no conflict.

sol_invictus 6y ago
Having different sets of principles for different groups of people is what one calls partisanship; and partisanship is a very critical problem in the US right now.
- loopz 6y ago
  So, help the multibillionaires, then?
  - sol_invictus 6y ago
    No? It means that if you support CHAZ/CHOP and condemn the Capitol events then youre a partisan hack. Either you want peace and prosperity or you don’t. You can’t cherry-pick your stance towards law based on who’s breaking it. There’s nothing hard to understand about it, but then again people love to play dumb in questions like these. I don’t understand it to be honest.
    - loopz 6y ago
      This is just too generic a complaint.
      - sol_invictus 6y ago
        When you have no arguments, divert.
        deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]

DeepYogurt 6y ago

Funny how critics of #defundthepolice willing ignore that it has always meant #reappropriatefundsfromthepolicetosocialservicesbetterabletohandlenonviolentissues

rayiner 6y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... > Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police It’s not some unjustified fearmongering. Anarchists literally took over part of Seattle. At my university, protestors are demanding to completely dismantle the campus police: https://www.wbez.org/stories/northwesterns-president-and-students-engage-in-heated-dispute-over-abolishing-campus-police/b08e0fcd-e9ed-4bea-bf83-216d4c1c46c9 https://www.wbez.org/stories/northwesterns-president-and-stu...
- slothtrop 6y ago
  University antics operate in their own bubble. A fraction want abolition, but they'd also plainly say so. "Defund" by definition doesn't mean abolish.
  - rhino369 6y ago
    It does unless you expect them to work for free and pay for their own operations somehow.
    - slothtrop 6y ago
      The demands have been made abundantly clear: they want demilitarization, and other health-focused services to take over in areas where police response is overkill and inappropriate. That's literally it. This isn't hard to find.
- tptacek 6y ago
  You're right. And yet, weirdly, it's the people who flew the Thin Blue Line flag who beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. (If this reads like snark, I don't mean it that way; I'm interested in what you think about that observation.)

blackearl 6y ago

Less so cheering them on and wishing that they did their jobs rather than taking selfies with the rioters.

Barrin92 6y ago

Not really contradictory. I trust the Feds and the intelligence community a hell of a lot more with protecting a country from sedition than your average local cop who dropped out of middle school so he can bully people of colour with a baton

ffggvv 6y ago
“i trust the feds and intelligence community” thought you guys learned from the patriot act and iraq war and iran contra and million other examples but guess not
- krastanov 6y ago
  You turned a relative statement with an explicit caveat into an absolutist statement. You are being purposefully misleading.

dguaraglia 6y ago

It's also funny how the 'thin blue line' people ended up killing more police officers than all of the BLM protests put together and tried to crush one alive in a door. Very 'funny'.

loldumabove 6y ago

“Funny” how inbred arses purposefully misrepresent what “defund the police” means, and what issues people are “#resistance”-ing.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> funny how all the #resistance and #defundthepolice folks are actively working with the feds and law enforcement and cheering them on I don't know why it's funny that those groups don't conform to the right-wing propaganda about their goals. The defund/dismantle/abolish movement thinks, broadly, that law enforcement gets too big of a slice of local finding with too broad of a remit, and that there are structural and institutional defects in present local law enforcement, such that funding and functions should be shifted to other organizations, and (and the dismantle/abolish end of the spectrum) existing local monolithic paramilitary law enforcement agencies should be disbanded entirely with all of the lot responsibilities reallocated to other new and existing entities with different structures. They don't oppose the law enforcement function, nor do they, IME, generally oppose cooperation with existing law enforcement entities, within bounds of care around dangerous institutional biases one may play into with danger to oneself and other innocents while so doing. Similarly, #resist isn’t anti-government it's specifically anti-Trumpist-extremism. Cooperating with law enforcement rolling up Trump coup participants is pretty much the most on-brand #resist thing ever.