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My favorite of these guys was West Virginia state legislator Derrick Evans: >The video shows a crowd surging through a Capitol door, past security, while an al

My favorite of these guys was West Virginia state legislator Derrick Evans: >The video shows a crowd surging through a Capitol door, past security, while an alarm repeatedly blares. As Evans enters an area called National Statuary Hall he celebrates and states his own name: “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-va-house-after-entering-u-s-capitol-with-mob/ https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-v...

musicale 6y ago
Presumably they are being blatant so that they can be explicitly pardoned, as they apparently think they will be.
- Waterluvian 6y ago
  The people who storm the capitol for Donald's feelings have self selected as being stupid. There is no plan.
- wtallis 6y ago
  A presidential pardon won't help Derrick Evans get around the 14th amendment should he ever decide to try to re-start his political career.
  - sillysaurusx 6y ago
    Out of curiosity, how is the 14th amendment related? EDIT: Thank you! I didn't mean to spawn a big subthread, but I'm happy to have learned that today. I somehow missed that there were multiple sections.
    - tedunangst 6y ago
      > No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
      - res0nat0r 6y ago
        This fool has already resigned too: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/derrick-evans-west-virginia-delegate-resigned-capitol-riot/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/derrick-evans-west-v...
    - xxpor 6y ago
      The rarely talked about section 3: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
    - wtallis 6y ago
      The 14th amendment is one of the ones passed in the aftermath of the Civil War. Section 3 of the 14th amendment states: > No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Derrick Evans was a member of a State legislature when he participated in what Congressional leadership has labeled as an insurrection. So the 14th amendment prohibits him from being a state legislator or holding any other state or federal office ever again, unless Congress decides otherwise. This constitutionally-imposed restriction is separate from any statutory restriction that could be imposed through criminal prosecution, and removed by a presidential pardon.
- zozbot234 6y ago
  Um, judging from this Trump Tweet... > Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it! @DHSgov ..I doubt that a Presidential Pardon is in the cards. But maybe I'm missing something. I thought those "Qanon" folks were really obsessed with following everything Trump tweets?
  - tedunangst 6y ago
    "Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors." Doesn't say Patriots. See? We've got the green light!
  - kibwen 6y ago
    > Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it! @DHSgov That tweet is from July 2020, and was aimed at BLM protestors. To say the least, the president has never demonstrated any special concern for philosophical consistency.
flycaliguy 6y ago
I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of this all, it’s part of their statement as Americans in America.
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- omgJustTest 6y ago
  As Americans in America they will also be charged with laws their president crafted, in the light of BLM protests. Too bad they are getting used by powerful Americans in america.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    Are you familiar with the capitol bombing, Bill Ayers, weather underground, and Obama launching his political career from Ayer’s house? Ayers being famous for admitting he doesn’t regret setting the bomb. Instead of being labeled a terrorist, he was made a professor and launched a lot of the social justice movement in education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-look-at-the-history-of-attacks-in-the-u-s-capitol-44-years-after-the-weather-underground-bombing/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-... https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/32072-obama-and-bill-ayers-together-from-the-beginning https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign... So... to say counterproductive isn’t taking into account history and possibility. Ayers and Obama didn’t suffer from association to each other or this domestic terrorism. Now, obviously, Trump Supporters (notice I didn’t say GOP) will find this to all have been counterproductive, agreed there in this specific case. My point about Ayers is that this is all a matter of who writes the history.
tclancy 6y ago
I have to say my new favorite is the senior citizen who brought styrofoam and gasoline and is looking at ten years, maximum. When I was far too young to be told this, in modern terms, my father, who had won multiple free trips to Asia from the US gubmint explained the recipe for homemade napalm. Imagine the maximum sentence for someone who wanted to napalm the US Capitol for reasons other than white rage. This is the thing we choose to soft play.

musicale 6y ago

Presumably they are being blatant so that they can be explicitly pardoned, as they apparently think they will be.

Waterluvian 6y ago
The people who storm the capitol for Donald's feelings have self selected as being stupid. There is no plan.
wtallis 6y ago
A presidential pardon won't help Derrick Evans get around the 14th amendment should he ever decide to try to re-start his political career.
- sillysaurusx 6y ago
  Out of curiosity, how is the 14th amendment related? EDIT: Thank you! I didn't mean to spawn a big subthread, but I'm happy to have learned that today. I somehow missed that there were multiple sections.
  - tedunangst 6y ago
    > No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
    - res0nat0r 6y ago
      This fool has already resigned too: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/derrick-evans-west-virginia-delegate-resigned-capitol-riot/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/derrick-evans-west-v...
  - xxpor 6y ago
    The rarely talked about section 3: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."
  - wtallis 6y ago
    The 14th amendment is one of the ones passed in the aftermath of the Civil War. Section 3 of the 14th amendment states: > No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Derrick Evans was a member of a State legislature when he participated in what Congressional leadership has labeled as an insurrection. So the 14th amendment prohibits him from being a state legislator or holding any other state or federal office ever again, unless Congress decides otherwise. This constitutionally-imposed restriction is separate from any statutory restriction that could be imposed through criminal prosecution, and removed by a presidential pardon.
zozbot234 6y ago
Um, judging from this Trump Tweet... > Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it! @DHSgov ..I doubt that a Presidential Pardon is in the cards. But maybe I'm missing something. I thought those "Qanon" folks were really obsessed with following everything Trump tweets?
- tedunangst 6y ago
  "Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors." Doesn't say Patriots. See? We've got the green light!
- kibwen 6y ago
  > Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it! @DHSgov That tweet is from July 2020, and was aimed at BLM protestors. To say the least, the president has never demonstrated any special concern for philosophical consistency.

flycaliguy 6y ago

I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of this all, it’s part of their statement as Americans in America.

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omgJustTest 6y ago
As Americans in America they will also be charged with laws their president crafted, in the light of BLM protests. Too bad they are getting used by powerful Americans in america.
ineedasername 6y ago
Counterproductive regardless. Peaceful non-destructive protests have achieved a lot more social change in modern history than violent and/or destructive methods.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  Are you familiar with the capitol bombing, Bill Ayers, weather underground, and Obama launching his political career from Ayer’s house? Ayers being famous for admitting he doesn’t regret setting the bomb. Instead of being labeled a terrorist, he was made a professor and launched a lot of the social justice movement in education. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-look-at-the-history-of-attacks-in-the-u-s-capitol-44-years-after-the-weather-underground-bombing/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/03/02/a-... https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/32072-obama-and-bill-ayers-together-from-the-beginning https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign... So... to say counterproductive isn’t taking into account history and possibility. Ayers and Obama didn’t suffer from association to each other or this domestic terrorism. Now, obviously, Trump Supporters (notice I didn’t say GOP) will find this to all have been counterproductive, agreed there in this specific case. My point about Ayers is that this is all a matter of who writes the history.

tclancy 6y ago

I have to say my new favorite is the senior citizen who brought styrofoam and gasoline and is looking at ten years, maximum. When I was far too young to be told this, in modern terms, my father, who had won multiple free trips to Asia from the US gubmint explained the recipe for homemade napalm. Imagine the maximum sentence for someone who wanted to napalm the US Capitol for reasons other than white rage. This is the thing we choose to soft play.