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FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building
- trianglem 6y agoIf anyone is looking for videos from the terror attack on the capitol, r/datahoarder on reddit has a pretty solid collection.
- djtriptych 6y agoI was looking for datasets. Thanks for this. Not sure why anyone downvoted a data source.
- giancarlostoro 6y agoI don't think that's what they're down voting.
- agravier 6y agoWhat is it?
- mxmilkb 6y agoIs downvoting to censor comments something that should be against the guidelines or not?
- bendbro 6y agoSorry, I downvoted because t*rr*r is a common tr*gger word for some folks. If a corporation is not morally responsible enough to censor irresponsible comments, then the community must feel empowered to do so.
- TheGeminon 6y agoSo you downvoted it because the word terror might upset other people? This is a post about an attack that killed at least 5 people.
- bendbro 6y agoWords have power [1]. The power to help and the power to harm. And in the age of social media, that power is magnified more than ever before [2]. So while the intent of the comment may have been to improve our shared world, that doesn't give a warrant to do more harm. We all need to chip in to ensure our words are precise and devoid of language that might upset, frighten, or harm others in our community. And one more thing- which I'm sure doesn't apply to you- the idea that past harm justifies new harm is the same beliefs that justified the rise of a certain dictator in a certain central european power behaved in the 1930s/40s. Let's work together make this community one that everyone wants to participate in! 1. https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6324786/amp https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6324786/amp 2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescalante/2020/08/03/research-finds-social-media-users-are-more-likely-to-believe-fake-news/amp/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescalante/2020/08/03/rese...
- mxmilkb 6y ago"And one more thing- which I'm sure doesn't apply to you- the idea that past harm justifies new harm is the same beliefs that justified the rise of a certain dictator in a certain central european power behaved in the 1930s/40s." Those words are too vague. People were led to believe that the core of their government was being defrauded. Were they harmed? Did some of them go on to harm? (I didn't see your flagged comment. Currently mine is at -3.)
- thatcat 6y agoIf you believe a word is causing harm and are asking people not to use it, you should at least articulate the kind of harm you're talking about, who is being harmed, and maybe suggest some alternative wording.
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- krastanov 6y agoAre you being sarcastic? I do not think I get what you are trying to say, sarcasm or no sarcasm.
- quibbler 6y ago"terror attack"
- mmastrac 6y agoThis should definitely not be downvoted. I hope this collection ends up at archive.org for future historians.
- zigzaggy 6y agoYeah why downvote this? Ppl buying minimal amounts of marijuana (and other selectively enforced misdemeanors) are doing real time while members of a violent mob walk free. And not only are they all on camera, but there may even be SIGINT collection devices that have their phone ID info. I don’t usually engage in politics on HN, but I think this goes beyond politics. How are we not supposed to be angry, after watching ppl be gassed and shot with rubber bullets, about how the Capitol Police responded 6 Jan? This is much bigger than politics.
- optimalsolver 6y agoMy favorite of these guys was West Virginia state legislator Derrick Evans: >The video shows a crowd surging through a Capitol door, past security, while an alarm repeatedly blares. As Evans enters an area called National Statuary Hall he celebrates and states his own name: “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-va-house-after-entering-u-s-capitol-with-mob/ https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-v...
- musicale 6y agoPresumably they are being blatant so that they can be explicitly pardoned, as they apparently think they will be.
- Waterluvian 6y agoThe people who storm the capitol for Donald's feelings have self selected as being stupid. There is no plan.
- wtallis 6y agoA presidential pardon won't help Derrick Evans get around the 14th amendment should he ever decide to try to re-start his political career.
- sillysaurusx 6y agoOut of curiosity, how is the 14th amendment related? EDIT: Thank you! I didn't mean to spawn a big subthread, but I'm happy to have learned that today. I somehow missed that there were multiple sections.
- tedunangst 6y ago> No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
- alecco 6y agoGreenwald rang the alarm on this just yesterday. Violence in the Capitol, Dangers in the Aftermath From the Cold War to the War on Terror: the harms from authoritarian "solutions" are often greater than the threats they are ostensibly designed to combat. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/violence-in-the-capitol-dangers-in-67f https://greenwald.substack.com/p/violence-in-the-capitol-dan... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25686567
- jp57 6y agoIf they had burned the Capitol to the ground with everyone in it, Greenwald would be concerned about the authoritarian harms of the response.
- zepto 6y agoIt would still be a concern!
- kthxbye123 6y agoTo his mind, the greatest possible evil is that someone, somewhere, might be held accountable for their actions.
- dang 6y agoIt looks like your account has been using the site primarily for political and ideological battle. That's the line at which we ban accounts (see [1] for more explanation), regardless of which politics or ideology they're battling for. We have to, because it destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation, not smiting enemies. I've therefore banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. The rules are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
- mmastrac 6y agoI spent an afternoon downloading stuff from right wing sites before it could be deleted and uploading it to the FBI. I hope it helps. Amusing that being so anti-mask makes it so easy for the FBI to identify the bad actors. If you want to downvote rather than discuss I'm happy to burn karma for this.
- dang 6y agoMatt can you please stop using HN for political battle? You've been a fabulous contributor and we love you. But this stuff is not what the site is for, and I'm dismayed to see you're doing it repeatedly these days. I get that present events are activating, but it doesn't change the purpose of HN, and I'm working overtime trying to prevent it burning to the ground—which is all too likely along the current path.
- ffggvv 6y agofunny how all the #resistance and #defundthepolice folks are actively working with the feds and law enforcement and cheering them on
- ogre_codes 6y agoWhy is that surprising when so many of these videos show cops not doing their job in a very critical moment. Tons of evidence here against the police.
- mdanger007 6y agoThat”s the gray area no one wants to talk about: there were racist cops who let the terrorist in (and probably aided them logistically) and there were good cops getting called nigger, being smashed with fire extinguishers , risking their lives in a hopeless situation.
- Justin_K 6y agoHaven't the police been ordered to stand down in these situations?
- ogre_codes 6y agoNo, the police haven't been told to "stand down" and take selfies when defending the nations capitol or congress.
- Rapzid 6y agoThere is evidence against the police on the scene not securing the members of congress? I've only seen people spreading uninformed, BS conclusions based on out-of-context videos. Conclusions that were largely later debunked.
- ogre_codes 6y agoBeen seeing more footage from the scene and I think you are right. The police on scene were largely fucked over and 2 were killed. There may have been some cops who didn't do their job, maybe even some who helped the mob, but most of them were just put in a horrible place.
- loopz 6y agoThe implications of this event keeps growing. New video shows Capitol riot was way worse than we thought https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752 https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752
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- weixiyen 6y agoThe lives of congress men and women were undoubtedly at risk. I think this directly contributed to Twitter and many other tech companies clamping down on the mediums of communication for radical Trump supporters. Tech platforms fear revenge from congress for enabling what took place, and it suddenly became a no-brainer business decision to ban Trump from social media.
- ineedasername 6y agoI think these platforms also saw the potential for things to get orders of magnitude worse, very quickly, as we approach innauguration. Hints of it are already there in the less dominant and more permissive platforms. Maybe they figure it's better to err on the side of caution for 2 weeks and then reassess the situation.
- adrr 6y agoThey setup gallows, had zip tie restraints and talked both on social media and in-person about executing government officials. Maps of the underground tunnels were also shared according to NPR. It really looks like a legitimate attempt at a coup. https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/07/954671745/on-far-right-websites-plans-to-storm-capitol-were-made-in-plain-sight https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tall...
- dcploy99 6y agoThis is really “narc-y”.
- Proven 6y agoI wonder what are they going to do with the info about that Antifa protest that was going on when they get it... Not much, if experience is anything to go by.
- optimalsolver 6y ago/pol/ pasta: imagine spending the better part of the last 5 years having your brain and ego melted by uninterrupted /pol/ exposure, flying to washington in the middle of a pandemic to hear trump whine about oprah and mike pence at a rally, marching up to congress on his orders to smash shit and then mill around aimlessly you go home and hear that biden won anyway and all of your favorite twitter news sources named like Patriot Newsman Of the West with avatars of roman statues have posted your photo online and are labeling you a "gay communist antifa actor." then the next day the god emperor you pasted into warhammer memes puts out a video cucking himself and bending the knee. "i'm sorry, those were heinous acts! p-please let me tweet again jack!!" you can't leave dc because the airlines have dubbed you a flight risk. you can't stay because the cops are actively looking for you after one of their own died. your roommate at the only hotel that would accept you is a guy named based_kekistani1488 who wants to show you his goblin slayer torrents. the sun is going down and you're getting cold.
- zug_zug 6y agoI'm surprised they didn't just issue a geolocation warrant. Sure seemed to be a lot of phones out from the videos I saw.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y agoI'm sure they have, even city PDs do this.
- erdos4d 6y agoI know this one guy who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue who definitely had something to do with it. He's kinda orange and has small hands. I would make a report, but I have a feeling it won't do any good:(
- musicale 6y agoNot a lawyer, but if he literally instructed the crowd to "march into the capitol chambers" then it seems like there might be a case, but if he just said something like "march to the capitol" it doesn't sound like enough to prove responsibility. Similarly "fight" could be claimed as a metaphor (e.g. college fight songs) rather than a literal incitement to violence. Etc..
- xkeysc0re 6y agoNot sure if "Stop the steal" can be taken figuratively anymore
- loopz 6y agoIt never was.
- Nursie 6y agoHe said "March to the capital". He didn't instruct them to invade. But he did - Spend two months riling them with his grievance fantasies Call all patriots to gather for a rally Spend 70 minutes telling them their votes had been stolen and they needed to FIGHT! Tell them to march to the capitol. It's a very fine line, and the outcome very predictable, even if he didn't explicitly tell them to invade it.
- loopz 6y agoHe instructed them to cheer on the delegates, and not be too nice to Pence.
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- Animats 6y agoThe one that's really wanted is this guy.[1] This is someone in the Senate chamber with zip-ties. This is not the retired USAF officer who was arrested with zip-ties.[2] The person in [1] is thinner, in good shape, and wearing completely different tactical gear, along with a Punisher logo on an American flag. [1] https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/protesters-enter-the-senate-chamber-on-january-06-2021-in-washington-picture-id1294932395?s=2048x2048 https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/protesters-enter-the-se... [2] https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox5dc.com/www.fox5dc.com/content/uploads/2021/01/764/432/zip-ties.jpg https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox5dc.com/www.fox5dc.com/co...
- tedunangst 6y agohttps://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347760352705052672 https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347760352705052672
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- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y agoEric Munchel: https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347783405677776897 https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347783405677776897 And, yes, that photo is chilling. The zip-ties, together with the functional gallows they previously erected outside, puts the lie to all claims of peacefulness.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y agoYou sure this isn’t doxxing? Edit tweet wasn’t deleted
- vsareto 6y agoTwitter has weird issues. Sometimes the tweets appear deleted, but a refresh shows it. That user didn't post the name until other sources did, so not doxxing
- ErikVandeWater 6y agoI think people are upvoting this because they approve of the maximum penalty to anyone caught trespassing (or worse) in the Capitol building. This isn't really relevant to Hacker News though. There is nothing interesting about the FBI investigating the most conspicuous federal crime in the past 5 years.
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- codingprograms 6y ago5 points by codingprograms 5 hours ago | parent [–] | on: The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surve... Election rules were changed in unorthodox ways due to a global pandemic. You have to admit that the election was unlike any other on recent memory. The losing side, given this unorthodox election, wanted some validation of results, as well as to legally challenge the way they were done (PA's changes). The response was one of derision and essentially shutting out the right from discourse. No effort was made a conciliation. This had the predictable effect of galvanizing people that there was indeed fraud. If you think that these people had no reason to be angry, you aren't paying attention. If you can understand the frustrations and lead up to the BLM movement, but don't even want to pay lip service to this, you are either a horrible person or stupid. Take your pick: evil, ignorant, or both?
- pengaru 6y agoSubmission [flagged] ?? pathetic.
- jeppesen-io 6y agoI understand why, but I'm still frusterated threads like this are flagged
- arolihas 6y agoI don’t understand why this was flagged. If you or anyone else can explain the reasoning it’d be appreciated.
- new_realist 6y agoEvery one of these insurrectionists was carrying a smartphone. The FBI knows the identity of everyone in the area; it’s just a question of determining which ones illegally entered the Capitol grounds.