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It's still not enough: https://caniuse.com/?search=Avif https://caniuse.com/?search=Avif In order to get mainstream adoption, both Safari iOS and Chrome Androi

by sedatk 6y ago

It's still not enough: https://caniuse.com/?search=Avif https://caniuse.com/?search=Avif In order to get mainstream adoption, both Safari iOS and Chrome Android need to start supporting it.

jeroenhd 6y ago
I'm not sure if that page is up to date. Firefox for Android and Chrome for Android both seem to support AVIF according to my tests. I'm not sure what "Android browser" means here, but it's been a while since I've seen the built-in browser engines not running on some recent version of Chromium as a base. I don't expect Apple to ever implement AVIF. They have bought into HEIF as the new version of JPEG through licenses and hardware decoding and they're not exactly known of implementing open standards next to their own. Encoding WEBP and AVIF and using the <picture> element on web pages should solve the bandwidth problem without depending on outdated browsers or lacking browser manufacturers. AVIF is better than WEBP in many cases, but WEBP is also better than JPEG or PNG in many places the older formats are still used.
- zamadatix 6y ago
  I can't get AVIF images to open in the latest Chrome on Android, pages with fallbacks use the fallback as well. My guess is it'll be enabled when AV1 is (which should be soonish now that devices with hardware AV1 decode are starting to be shipped in volume). Apple added AV1 hardware decode support to the A14 so I wouldn't rule it out in the future.
- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  > I'm not sure what "Android browser" means here, but it's been a while since I've seen the built-in browser engines not running on some recent version of Chromium as a base. Looks like it's the pre-Android 5, non-Chromium, AOSP browser ?
heavyset_go 6y ago
Good luck with that, Safari only started supporting WebP in June. Chrome has supported WebP since 2012.
- roca 6y ago
  But Apple is an AOM member and apparently is implementing AV1, so things are looking up.
  - ksec 6y ago
    > and apparently is implementing AV1 Where is that happening?
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DaleCurtis 6y ago
Chrome 89 will have AVIF support on Android: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/2605293 https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/26...
efortis 6y ago
Meanwhile, you can conditionally serve AVIF with Nginx https://blog.uidrafter.com/engineering/conditional-avif-for-video-posters https://blog.uidrafter.com/engineering/conditional-avif-for-...
cl0ckt0wer 6y ago
Can't we use a wasm plugin to do the image decoding for us?

by sedatk 6y ago

It's still not enough: https://caniuse.com/?search=Avif https://caniuse.com/?search=Avif In order to get mainstream adoption, both Safari iOS and Chrome Android need to start supporting it.

jeroenhd 6y ago

I'm not sure if that page is up to date. Firefox for Android and Chrome for Android both seem to support AVIF according to my tests. I'm not sure what "Android browser" means here, but it's been a while since I've seen the built-in browser engines not running on some recent version of Chromium as a base. I don't expect Apple to ever implement AVIF. They have bought into HEIF as the new version of JPEG through licenses and hardware decoding and they're not exactly known of implementing open standards next to their own. Encoding WEBP and AVIF and using the <picture> element on web pages should solve the bandwidth problem without depending on outdated browsers or lacking browser manufacturers. AVIF is better than WEBP in many cases, but WEBP is also better than JPEG or PNG in many places the older formats are still used.

zamadatix 6y ago
I can't get AVIF images to open in the latest Chrome on Android, pages with fallbacks use the fallback as well. My guess is it'll be enabled when AV1 is (which should be soonish now that devices with hardware AV1 decode are starting to be shipped in volume). Apple added AV1 hardware decode support to the A14 so I wouldn't rule it out in the future.
BlueTemplar 6y ago
> I'm not sure what "Android browser" means here, but it's been a while since I've seen the built-in browser engines not running on some recent version of Chromium as a base. Looks like it's the pre-Android 5, non-Chromium, AOSP browser ?

heavyset_go 6y ago

Good luck with that, Safari only started supporting WebP in June. Chrome has supported WebP since 2012.

roca 6y ago
But Apple is an AOM member and apparently is implementing AV1, so things are looking up.
- ksec 6y ago
  > and apparently is implementing AV1 Where is that happening?

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DaleCurtis 6y ago

Chrome 89 will have AVIF support on Android: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/2605293 https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/26...

efortis 6y ago

Meanwhile, you can conditionally serve AVIF with Nginx https://blog.uidrafter.com/engineering/conditional-avif-for-video-posters https://blog.uidrafter.com/engineering/conditional-avif-for-...

cl0ckt0wer 6y ago

Can't we use a wasm plugin to do the image decoding for us?