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EDIT: Also note that those links are all the run by the same group, the FAQs are the same. Consider reading the IDSA (Infectious Disease Society of America) g

EDIT: Also note that those links are all the run by the same group, the FAQs are the same. Consider reading the IDSA (Infectious Disease Society of America) guidelines. They get updated fairly regularly and are composed of the boots on the ground infectious disease specialist physicians who are trying to help people. https://www.idsociety.org/practice-guideline/covid-19-guideline-treatment-and-management/ https://www.idsociety.org/practice-guideline/covid-19-guidel... Unfortunately, HCQ became politicized which added a bunch of noise. There are a lot of people who are invested in being right for various reasons rather than trying to find the truth, and many of these websites are biased. For what it's worth, I am a physician who prescribed HCQ to patients in March (with appropriate informed consent from pts/families) when he had no other idea of treatment options based on the original study which purported to show decreased viral load. It became obvious that it didn't matter whether patients got it or not in my experience (some got better and some died whether or not they got it), numerous studies then confirmed this. Most if not all hospitals were trying it with the first wave back in Jan-March and then we stopped using it when data came out that it didn't change anything. Then, things got crazy because it became promoted by certain politicians (this happened when any physician with experience had already realized it was a placebo) AND then there was a big scandal where a paper was published showing increased mortality that based on falsified data and later retracted.

addicted 6y ago
What sucks most is that there are several medicines that have found to have a positive effect that got drowned in the HCQ noise.
- Herodotus38 6y ago
  There are a lot of potential medications that are being studied and it's good to remember that we have to do good science to know what we are doing. So far, only steroids (specifically dexamethasone) has shown a mortality reduction. Remdesivir maybe decreases length of stay in the hospital. Currently beside fluvoxamine, there is research being done on colchicine (usually used for gout), ivermectin (controversial because the main people promoting it believe so strongly in it that they flat out say on their website it is unethical to perform randomized control trials to study it at this point, which is bonkers), various vitamins have been proposed.
  - cameronh90 6y ago
    There is this new study which was being publicised earlier in the week: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/health/covid-arthritis-drugs-reduced-deaths.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/heal... The study claims they do reduce mortality. It is, however, a non-reviewed preprint.
BlueTemplar 6y ago
A certain politician and a certain very high-profile doctor. There's also this point of view : https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3858145/posts https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3858145/posts A later, more polished and detailed version in French : https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/traitements-a-base-d-228052 https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/traitements-a-... However, while I had found these arguments compelling, the issue was that they took the effectiveness of HCQ as a starting point. Which just seems to go against the available evidence at this point.

addicted 6y ago

What sucks most is that there are several medicines that have found to have a positive effect that got drowned in the HCQ noise.

Herodotus38 6y ago
There are a lot of potential medications that are being studied and it's good to remember that we have to do good science to know what we are doing. So far, only steroids (specifically dexamethasone) has shown a mortality reduction. Remdesivir maybe decreases length of stay in the hospital. Currently beside fluvoxamine, there is research being done on colchicine (usually used for gout), ivermectin (controversial because the main people promoting it believe so strongly in it that they flat out say on their website it is unethical to perform randomized control trials to study it at this point, which is bonkers), various vitamins have been proposed.
- cameronh90 6y ago
  There is this new study which was being publicised earlier in the week: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/health/covid-arthritis-drugs-reduced-deaths.amp.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/heal... The study claims they do reduce mortality. It is, however, a non-reviewed preprint.

BlueTemplar 6y ago

A certain politician and a certain very high-profile doctor. There's also this point of view : https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3858145/posts https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3858145/posts A later, more polished and detailed version in French : https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/traitements-a-base-d-228052 https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/traitements-a-... However, while I had found these arguments compelling, the issue was that they took the effectiveness of HCQ as a starting point. Which just seems to go against the available evidence at this point.