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Give me the quote that justifies your statement that Trump was "Advocating the violent overthrow of Congress and the rule of law"

charonn0 6y ago
For example: > We will never give up; we will never concede. We will stop the steal. We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol…We’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones…the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
- gwright 6y ago
  So advocating for Senators and representatives to vote in a particular way is a problem?
  - maxerickson 6y ago
    The sitting president advocating that Congress ignore the law is problematic, yes. The certification by Congress is ceremonial, it's a counting of the results provided by the states, not an evaluation of those results.
    - gwright 6y ago
      I don't believe that is correct. Congress has the power to reject electors and has done so on several occasions. There are established procedures for this process: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-...
      - maxerickson 6y ago
        Okay fine, but guess what a Democratic house is going to do with objections when there aren't wild irregularities, they are going to reject the objections. If the chambers are split, it becomes ceremonial. You'd almost think the law they wrote was intended to make it ceremonial, while reserving the capability to do something in the face of a real problem.
charonn0 6y ago
Another example (same speech): > And I would love to have if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed the military, the Secret Service and we want to thank you and the police and law enforcement great you're doing a great job, but I would love it if they could be allowed to come up with us. Is that possible? Can you just let them, please?
- gwright 6y ago
  That's it? That is your evidence that Trump was going to initiate a military overthrow of the government? I do think was careless and even erroneous in many of his assertions but that is miles away from advocating for the violent overthrow of the government.
charonn0 6y ago
Another example (same speech): > And after this, we're going to walk down and I'll be there with you. We're going to walk down-- > We're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol-- > And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. > Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. > We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated.
- gwright 6y ago
  How is that an example of violent overthrow? Stating that Congress should act in a particular way is advocating violent overthrow?

charonn0 6y ago

For example: > We will never give up; we will never concede. We will stop the steal. We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol…We’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones…the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

gwright 6y ago
So advocating for Senators and representatives to vote in a particular way is a problem?
- maxerickson 6y ago
  The sitting president advocating that Congress ignore the law is problematic, yes. The certification by Congress is ceremonial, it's a counting of the results provided by the states, not an evaluation of those results.
  - gwright 6y ago
    I don't believe that is correct. Congress has the power to reject electors and has done so on several occasions. There are established procedures for this process: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-...
    - maxerickson 6y ago
      Okay fine, but guess what a Democratic house is going to do with objections when there aren't wild irregularities, they are going to reject the objections. If the chambers are split, it becomes ceremonial. You'd almost think the law they wrote was intended to make it ceremonial, while reserving the capability to do something in the face of a real problem.

charonn0 6y ago

Another example (same speech): > And I would love to have if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed the military, the Secret Service and we want to thank you and the police and law enforcement great you're doing a great job, but I would love it if they could be allowed to come up with us. Is that possible? Can you just let them, please?

gwright 6y ago
That's it? That is your evidence that Trump was going to initiate a military overthrow of the government? I do think was careless and even erroneous in many of his assertions but that is miles away from advocating for the violent overthrow of the government.

charonn0 6y ago

Another example (same speech): > And after this, we're going to walk down and I'll be there with you. We're going to walk down-- > We're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol-- > And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. > Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. > We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated.

gwright 6y ago
How is that an example of violent overthrow? Stating that Congress should act in a particular way is advocating violent overthrow?