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To my mind, this effort by Pelosi (if true) is more dangerous than anything Trump said this week.
by gwright 6y ago
To my mind, this effort by Pelosi (if true) is more dangerous than anything Trump said this week.
- charonn0 6y agoReally? Advocating the violent overthrow of Congress and the rule of law by a sitting president is less worrisome than trying to prevent that same sitting president from murdering tens of millions of innocent people in your name?
- gwright 6y agoGive me the quote that justifies your statement that Trump was "Advocating the violent overthrow of Congress and the rule of law"
- charonn0 6y agoFor example: > We will never give up; we will never concede. We will stop the steal. We’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol…We’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones…the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
- gwright 6y agoSo advocating for Senators and representatives to vote in a particular way is a problem?
- maxerickson 6y agoThe sitting president advocating that Congress ignore the law is problematic, yes. The certification by Congress is ceremonial, it's a counting of the results provided by the states, not an evaluation of those results.
- gwright 6y agoI don't believe that is correct. Congress has the power to reject electors and has done so on several occasions. There are established procedures for this process: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-settles-electoral-college-disputes https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-how-congress-...
- maxerickson 6y agoOkay fine, but guess what a Democratic house is going to do with objections when there aren't wild irregularities, they are going to reject the objections. If the chambers are split, it becomes ceremonial. You'd almost think the law they wrote was intended to make it ceremonial, while reserving the capability to do something in the face of a real problem.
- charonn0 6y agoAnother example (same speech): > And I would love to have if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed the military, the Secret Service and we want to thank you and the police and law enforcement great you're doing a great job, but I would love it if they could be allowed to come up with us. Is that possible? Can you just let them, please?
- gwright 6y agoThat's it? That is your evidence that Trump was going to initiate a military overthrow of the government? I do think was careless and even erroneous in many of his assertions but that is miles away from advocating for the violent overthrow of the government.
- charonn0 6y agoAnother example (same speech): > And after this, we're going to walk down and I'll be there with you. We're going to walk down-- > We're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol-- > And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. > Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. > We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated.
- gwright 6y agoHow is that an example of violent overthrow? Stating that Congress should act in a particular way is advocating violent overthrow?
- gwright 6y ago> trying to prevent that same sitting president from murdering tens of millions of innocent people in your Any evidence at all that this was a thing?
- charonn0 6y agoThat is a reference to a nuclear first strike.
- LaMarseillaise 6y agoSo you would rather gamble human civilization on the chance that it might not be true, with a psychopath that has shown he is willing to do anything to stay in office?
- gwright 6y ago> willing to do anything to stay in office So far he has tweeted, initiated legal actions and abided by the rulings. Where is your evidence that he will "do anything to stay in office"?
- howmayiannoyyou 6y agoOdd. I watched Trump's speech and I watched and heard him tell protestors to literally go home and not engage in violence, and then it was reported Trump activated the DC national guard to defend the capital. We must live in different universes.
- charonn0 6y agoYes. I live in the universe where it was actually Pence who approve sending in the Guard. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/national-guard-capitol-army.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/national-guar...
- maxerickson 6y agohttps://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/pelosi-letter-on-nuclear-codes/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/pelosi-letter-on-nuc... All it says in the letter is that she discussed the process with someone at the Pentagon.