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It's odd to me how someone could think that there is more hatred for Mike Pence coming from within his own party vs. outside of it. I don't know what social med

It's odd to me how someone could think that there is more hatred for Mike Pence coming from within his own party vs. outside of it. I don't know what social media circles you've participated in for the past 5 years, but it seems clearly the opposite case to me. There is an overwhelmingly large group of people online who equivocate Mike Pence with Nazism, and they regularly call for punching and killing of anyone who has that label. Last August, a Trump supporter was killed at a Portland BLM protest, where afterwards into the microphone the organizer yelled "I am not sad that a f*cking fascist died tonight. He was a f*cking Nazi. Our community held its own and took out the trash." Many young people praised this. I do not believe the remarks would have been different if it were Pence in the same situation.

geofft 6y ago
I'm not arguing that there is more "hatred" for Pence coming from within his party than outside it, in a general sense. I'm arguing specifically that "hang Mike Pence" is coming from the far right, and only from the far part of the far right. If you find this odd, you should read some far-right forums. I read these social media circles (as well as far-left ones of various sorts), not because I agree with them, but because I think it's useful to understand what the "other side" thinks. The one I was reading today had multiple memes of him as a traitor - one had him photoshopped as Brutus assassinating Trump-as-Caesar surrounded by Romney and others, one had him next to Benedict Arnold, etc. Meanwhile, at some point in the NYC Women's March four years ago, when folks were chanting "Hey hey, ho ho, Donald Trump has got to go," I tried to lead a "Michael Pence has got to go." Nobody really joined in. And in any case, my original point is that there is a large number of folks, Democrat and Republican and everything in between, who do not agree with "hang Mike Pence," and it is on those people's beliefs that we can build common ground. I don't deny that there are protestors with megaphones who shout extreme positions, but my exact point was that you should not extrapolate based on who shouts the loudest.

geofft 6y ago

I'm not arguing that there is more "hatred" for Pence coming from within his party than outside it, in a general sense. I'm arguing specifically that "hang Mike Pence" is coming from the far right, and only from the far part of the far right. If you find this odd, you should read some far-right forums. I read these social media circles (as well as far-left ones of various sorts), not because I agree with them, but because I think it's useful to understand what the "other side" thinks. The one I was reading today had multiple memes of him as a traitor - one had him photoshopped as Brutus assassinating Trump-as-Caesar surrounded by Romney and others, one had him next to Benedict Arnold, etc. Meanwhile, at some point in the NYC Women's March four years ago, when folks were chanting "Hey hey, ho ho, Donald Trump has got to go," I tried to lead a "Michael Pence has got to go." Nobody really joined in. And in any case, my original point is that there is a large number of folks, Democrat and Republican and everything in between, who do not agree with "hang Mike Pence," and it is on those people's beliefs that we can build common ground. I don't deny that there are protestors with megaphones who shout extreme positions, but my exact point was that you should not extrapolate based on who shouts the loudest.