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This would be whack-a-mole otherwise, but when I saw this trending the vast majority of the tweets were sharing videos of people chanting that slogan in the Cap

This would be whack-a-mole otherwise, but when I saw this trending the vast majority of the tweets were sharing videos of people chanting that slogan in the Capitol amidst the storm. By suppressing the sharing of that information people are actually less likely to be aware that's what they were chanting (I know I would be less aware because that's where I learned about it). Now I guess there's the potential they weren't actually shouting that and it was dubbed, but it seemed credible based on many of the sources discussing it on twitter, some of whom were 1 degree separated from the source of the video. Aside: there are so many landmines in me writing this that I don't know how to qualify my comments well enough to not be accused of something. Guess no one has to say to me "may you live in interesting times."

paulryanrogers 6y ago
Is it enough for other news organizations or even more small time / personal sources to mirror the videos? Possibly something that can convey more context than 280 characters allows?
- harmmonica 6y ago
  I think you're right. Getting access to this info would always be possible through other, more in-depth sources. I see this comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25705945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25705945, which is a good one and pre-internet was the only way these types of things would "trend" in the past (at least beyond some tiny fraction of the population).
megameter 6y ago
Even in a low level sense, this is an inherent calculation to the doing of moderation. If you let a hot button issue be spoken of freely, it dominates the timeline. If you cut it out, something else becomes the topic in its place, but that can actually help with discussing the issue by forcing it to be addressed only indirectly, linked into a larger narrative, instead of with reactive side-taking. Blocking the trend, in this instance, is different from blocking the speech.
creato 6y ago
This is a perfect example of why social media is a total disaster and no one should be trusting it for anything at all. There are many, many things that seem to be taken as fact on social media that are impossible to find on any reputable media source. Maybe the crowd was chanting hang Mike Pence, maybe not. I'll wait until a credible source reports it. The AP had reporters in the crowd (getting assaulted [1]), presumably many other organizations did as well, I expect them to report what they heard. There are many other examples (both from this incident and others) already prevalent, including on HN, which is really depressing. 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/09/he-was-documenting-chaotic-scene-when-suddenly-trump-supporters-turned-their-ire-him/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/09/he-was-docum...
- tomjakubowski 6y ago
  Video of the crowd at the Capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence", which was a trivial Google search away. https://twitter.com/ExportedFromMI/status/1347763885646827522 https://twitter.com/ExportedFromMI/status/134776388564682752... Reuters photographer eyewitness confirming it was a common refrain and discussed openly. https://twitter.com/jimbourg/status/1347559078831284227 https://twitter.com/jimbourg/status/1347559078831284227 Myriad videos from the day too of people shouting things like "WHERE'S PENCE?", sometimes at capitol police.
- pantalaimon 6y ago
  What else would they be chanting, Hang my pants?
  - aaronbrethorst 6y ago
    Or perhaps they were chanting “Boo-urns”
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- wvenable 6y ago
  At least these you don't have to rely on a reputable source -- much of what happened in the capitol was captured on video. In some cases, it was streamed live. You still need to take care to see the entire context of the situation -- It's still easy to be fooled by a 2 minute clip but it's much harder with a 20 minute or hour long clip.

paulryanrogers 6y ago

Is it enough for other news organizations or even more small time / personal sources to mirror the videos? Possibly something that can convey more context than 280 characters allows?

harmmonica 6y ago
I think you're right. Getting access to this info would always be possible through other, more in-depth sources. I see this comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25705945 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25705945, which is a good one and pre-internet was the only way these types of things would "trend" in the past (at least beyond some tiny fraction of the population).

megameter 6y ago

Even in a low level sense, this is an inherent calculation to the doing of moderation. If you let a hot button issue be spoken of freely, it dominates the timeline. If you cut it out, something else becomes the topic in its place, but that can actually help with discussing the issue by forcing it to be addressed only indirectly, linked into a larger narrative, instead of with reactive side-taking. Blocking the trend, in this instance, is different from blocking the speech.

creato 6y ago

This is a perfect example of why social media is a total disaster and no one should be trusting it for anything at all. There are many, many things that seem to be taken as fact on social media that are impossible to find on any reputable media source. Maybe the crowd was chanting hang Mike Pence, maybe not. I'll wait until a credible source reports it. The AP had reporters in the crowd (getting assaulted [1]), presumably many other organizations did as well, I expect them to report what they heard. There are many other examples (both from this incident and others) already prevalent, including on HN, which is really depressing. 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/09/he-was-documenting-chaotic-scene-when-suddenly-trump-supporters-turned-their-ire-him/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/01/09/he-was-docum...

tomjakubowski 6y ago
Video of the crowd at the Capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence", which was a trivial Google search away. https://twitter.com/ExportedFromMI/status/1347763885646827522 https://twitter.com/ExportedFromMI/status/134776388564682752... Reuters photographer eyewitness confirming it was a common refrain and discussed openly. https://twitter.com/jimbourg/status/1347559078831284227 https://twitter.com/jimbourg/status/1347559078831284227 Myriad videos from the day too of people shouting things like "WHERE'S PENCE?", sometimes at capitol police.
pantalaimon 6y ago
What else would they be chanting, Hang my pants?
- aaronbrethorst 6y ago
  Or perhaps they were chanting “Boo-urns”
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
wvenable 6y ago
At least these you don't have to rely on a reputable source -- much of what happened in the capitol was captured on video. In some cases, it was streamed live. You still need to take care to see the entire context of the situation -- It's still easy to be fooled by a 2 minute clip but it's much harder with a 20 minute or hour long clip.