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> Where is the line? Hard to say. They written books about monopolies, I would not be able to explain it a single comment. For Twitter it's clear (to me) it's

> Where is the line? Hard to say. They written books about monopolies, I would not be able to explain it a single comment. For Twitter it's clear (to me) it's kind of monopoly: if you a politician (or commercial company), it's critical to you to have twitter to access your electorate (or customers). > Do you include oligopolies like Apple, Google who don’t have monopoly in the phone market but both banned the same apps? Yes, I completely agree that these companies need to be regulated. In particular: * 30% tax seems arbitrary * app moderation policy is anti-competitive * promotion of own services (like Apple TV+) on iPhones is again anti-competitive > What if there were 5 (50?, 500?) competitors that all independently decided it was economically beneficial for them to ban the same thing? I don't have an answer to that question. But I believe that Trump/Parler bans have nothing to do with economical benefits.

abernard1 6y ago
> But I believe that Trump/Parler bans have nothing to do with economical benefits. Agreed. They're more along the civil rights dimension. The 1964 Civil Rights Act didn't mandate equal access because of Big Restaurant or Big Bus Stop--it was because segregation was an exceedingly immoral, dehumanizing, discriminatory action against millions of people. That Big Tech finds half the country so odious they are willing to ban them is pretty gross to me. I think people should be served, as humans, irrespective of their beliefs. I don't think it matters whether those beliefs are religious or political (the new religion for a lot of people).
- yazaddaruvala 6y ago
  > But I believe that Trump/Parler bans have nothing to do with economical benefits. This doesn’t make sense to me, companies are obligated to make the most possible money for their shareholders. Otherwise their shareholders withdraw investments and invest elsewhere. Deplatforming is a money making strategy (it might succeed or it might fail but the goal is to make money). To add more data, in Nov 2020 7 MM more “potential customers” voted for Biden compared to Trump. Additionally, the “potential customers” that voted for Biden were predominantly younger i.e. more time to purchase good and services from company X. It seems clear to me deplatforming is a medium-term and long-term financial numbers game. > The 1964 Civil Rights Act didn't mandate equal access because of Big Restaurant or Big Bus Stop--it was because segregation was an exceedingly immoral ... The way I see this is: Historically we thought free market economics only applied to the monetary aspect of socio-economics. “deplatforming”/“cancel culture” seems to be the free market “solution” to social issues. It is basically the “popular vote” weighted by capital, forcing social change. Historically social issues were dictated by one person one vote and required government regulation, and moved very slow (for many reasons, one of them being a disproportionate voting power to low population states). Perhaps we are now witnessing the efficiency of the free market to solve social issues? Which is an interesting/ironic result, given historic Republican policy about free markets. P.S. FWIW, I’d be happy with more regulation in this area, even though the free market “solution” is in my favor.
  - abernard1 6y ago
    > Deplatforming is a money making strategy (it might succeed or it might fail but the goal is to make money). Is this what free-love 1960s San Francisco has been reduced to? Are we at a point where Texans are the new hippies? This is sad. If you want to know why Americans might be angry at Silicon Valley, please look at the callousness of that comment.
    - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
      I’m sorry you feel my comment is callus but that callousness is not mine or my comment’s but that of the society we live. What “ought to happen” and what “is happening” are very different things. My previous comment describes what “is happening”: Companies are trying to make money and are making decisions about how to maximize profit. This is the society we have collectively built! Meanwhile, as a student of Hume I cannot hope to describe what “ought to happen”. I can only speculate that (as I said previously) we need more regulation to ensure everyone is treated “fairly” (whatever ought that might imply). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem
      - abernard1 6y ago
        > Meanwhile, as a student of Hume I cannot hope to describe what “ought to happen”. shakes head Well then, frankly, you're autistic. The idea that morality doesn't play a role in Civil Rights, or police violence towards blacks, or BLM/Antifa violence towards basically everyone, or Twitter deplatforming people.... is nonsense. Even the people at Twitter don't believe that quite frankly. Their angry SJW petitions to deplatform weren't laden with "so we can make more money" arguments.
      - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        Hey I can’t vote on your posts and I’m sorry you’ve been downvoted. While I don’t consider it an insult like you seem to, I agree I like to be hyper precise when I can, and this can be off putting to many. I’ll be less precise. I agree with you. All people should be treated fairly! I hope we can soon live in a world that uses “one person one vote” for all societal decisions, that seems most fair to me. However, whatever your politics might be, please understand: A true “one person one vote” does also mean that both the Senate and the Electoral College need to be rectified.

abernard1 6y ago

> But I believe that Trump/Parler bans have nothing to do with economical benefits. Agreed. They're more along the civil rights dimension. The 1964 Civil Rights Act didn't mandate equal access because of Big Restaurant or Big Bus Stop--it was because segregation was an exceedingly immoral, dehumanizing, discriminatory action against millions of people. That Big Tech finds half the country so odious they are willing to ban them is pretty gross to me. I think people should be served, as humans, irrespective of their beliefs. I don't think it matters whether those beliefs are religious or political (the new religion for a lot of people).

yazaddaruvala 6y ago
> But I believe that Trump/Parler bans have nothing to do with economical benefits. This doesn’t make sense to me, companies are obligated to make the most possible money for their shareholders. Otherwise their shareholders withdraw investments and invest elsewhere. Deplatforming is a money making strategy (it might succeed or it might fail but the goal is to make money). To add more data, in Nov 2020 7 MM more “potential customers” voted for Biden compared to Trump. Additionally, the “potential customers” that voted for Biden were predominantly younger i.e. more time to purchase good and services from company X. It seems clear to me deplatforming is a medium-term and long-term financial numbers game. > The 1964 Civil Rights Act didn't mandate equal access because of Big Restaurant or Big Bus Stop--it was because segregation was an exceedingly immoral ... The way I see this is: Historically we thought free market economics only applied to the monetary aspect of socio-economics. “deplatforming”/“cancel culture” seems to be the free market “solution” to social issues. It is basically the “popular vote” weighted by capital, forcing social change. Historically social issues were dictated by one person one vote and required government regulation, and moved very slow (for many reasons, one of them being a disproportionate voting power to low population states). Perhaps we are now witnessing the efficiency of the free market to solve social issues? Which is an interesting/ironic result, given historic Republican policy about free markets. P.S. FWIW, I’d be happy with more regulation in this area, even though the free market “solution” is in my favor.
- abernard1 6y ago
  > Deplatforming is a money making strategy (it might succeed or it might fail but the goal is to make money). Is this what free-love 1960s San Francisco has been reduced to? Are we at a point where Texans are the new hippies? This is sad. If you want to know why Americans might be angry at Silicon Valley, please look at the callousness of that comment.
  - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
    I’m sorry you feel my comment is callus but that callousness is not mine or my comment’s but that of the society we live. What “ought to happen” and what “is happening” are very different things. My previous comment describes what “is happening”: Companies are trying to make money and are making decisions about how to maximize profit. This is the society we have collectively built! Meanwhile, as a student of Hume I cannot hope to describe what “ought to happen”. I can only speculate that (as I said previously) we need more regulation to ensure everyone is treated “fairly” (whatever ought that might imply). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem
    - abernard1 6y ago
      > Meanwhile, as a student of Hume I cannot hope to describe what “ought to happen”. shakes head Well then, frankly, you're autistic. The idea that morality doesn't play a role in Civil Rights, or police violence towards blacks, or BLM/Antifa violence towards basically everyone, or Twitter deplatforming people.... is nonsense. Even the people at Twitter don't believe that quite frankly. Their angry SJW petitions to deplatform weren't laden with "so we can make more money" arguments.
    - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
      Hey I can’t vote on your posts and I’m sorry you’ve been downvoted. While I don’t consider it an insult like you seem to, I agree I like to be hyper precise when I can, and this can be off putting to many. I’ll be less precise. I agree with you. All people should be treated fairly! I hope we can soon live in a world that uses “one person one vote” for all societal decisions, that seems most fair to me. However, whatever your politics might be, please understand: A true “one person one vote” does also mean that both the Senate and the Electoral College need to be rectified.