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> Clojure people have a lot of insecurity around Haskell I beg to differ. I think it's the other way around. I rarely see Clojure folk bashing on Haskell - the

> Clojure people have a lot of insecurity around Haskell I beg to differ. I think it's the other way around. I rarely see Clojure folk bashing on Haskell - they usually admit Haskell's strong points or any other language. They very often borrow ideas from other languages, libraries, and tools. I've heard they are figuring out interop with Python and R. They've built Clojure-like Lisp dialects that work on Golang, Erlang, compile to Lua, etc. Haskellites, however, get sad and defensive anytime someone mentions that it's not so widely used in the real world.

travv0 6y ago
That’s a nice thought, but I haven’t seen examples of that myself. And your claim of real-world use seems to be the opposite of what I found with a quick Google search: https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2020/02/28/language-rankings-1-20/ https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2020/02/28/language-rankings-1-2... https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020 https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020 Obviously this is far from scientific, but Clojure being a new, hyped language, it wouldn’t surprise me if that skewed people’s perception of how much it was used in production code.
- fnordsensei 6y ago
  I feel like at this point, it's neither new (coming up on 12 years old) nor hyped (it's been used in anger a lot by now). I'm not sure how you read real-world utility from looking at graphs of SO and GitHub. It's like claiming that garbage trucks have no real-world utility because they are vastly less popular than cars. Clojure is hovering around the same space as Rust, and beating WASM and Cuda. All of these languages occupy a useful niche, and a more-than-cursory search will reveal a lot of companies deploying them where they can play to their respective strengths.

travv0 6y ago

That’s a nice thought, but I haven’t seen examples of that myself. And your claim of real-world use seems to be the opposite of what I found with a quick Google search: https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2020/02/28/language-rankings-1-20/ https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2020/02/28/language-rankings-1-2... https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020 https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020 Obviously this is far from scientific, but Clojure being a new, hyped language, it wouldn’t surprise me if that skewed people’s perception of how much it was used in production code.

fnordsensei 6y ago
I feel like at this point, it's neither new (coming up on 12 years old) nor hyped (it's been used in anger a lot by now). I'm not sure how you read real-world utility from looking at graphs of SO and GitHub. It's like claiming that garbage trucks have no real-world utility because they are vastly less popular than cars. Clojure is hovering around the same space as Rust, and beating WASM and Cuda. All of these languages occupy a useful niche, and a more-than-cursory search will reveal a lot of companies deploying them where they can play to their respective strengths.