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1. 4 years on non-stop propaganda by left wing owned mainstream media, amplified by online echo-chambers, will do that to you. Especially if the other side is

1. 4 years on non-stop propaganda by left wing owned mainstream media, amplified by online echo-chambers, will do that to you. Especially if the other side is labeled all shades of evil, like ‘racists’ and ‘fascists’ indiscriminately and without evidence. Slander is a powerful political weapon. 2. "Moronic sheep" is a poetic way to describe people who tend to trust lies they've been force-fed, without questioning. I blame the lack of critical thinking, groupthink, and deep internalized 'herd following' attitude nurtured from schools to colleges. Which, btw, a possible reason for larger Trump support among people who haven't passed through the brainwashing machine of the US college/academia. I guess anti-individualism is the best way to call it. I always refer to excellent "Excellent Sheep" book by William Deresiewicz who succinctly described just what I experienced first hand during years of Ivy League un-education. 3. see 1. if we can't get free speech on BigTech platforms then we shall part our ways, each stuck in its own 'safe space'. As for me personally I prefer swimming against the current.

hayst4ck 6y ago
I don't think you answered the questions in good faith, and I think I responded to you in good faith. If a sheep is someone who: "tends to trust lies they've been force-fed, without questioning." Then what is a good measure of who is a sheep or not? I questioned your beliefs, and you gave me back lines from your echo chamber verbatim. Here's some good questions for you: "What are some of the weak points of my belief system?" "What might I be wrong about?" "What is a good faith summary of the other person's argument?" If you're acting in good faith, those shouldn't be even remotely hard questions. If those are hard questions and can't be answered directly, you should re-examine who is a sheep.
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- bra-ket 6y ago
  Nah, I think I answered it alright , why don’t you go after leftist media and their propaganda , ask WaPo to provide a “good faith summary of other person argument” when they accuse ALL Trump supporters of being racist ‘white supremacists’ indiscriminately and without evidence on daily basis for years, inciting witch hunts and riots. What you’re doing is called demagogy, or worse, sealioning. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, just apply your high standards of good faith argument to left wing media and their culture of political ‘discourse’, lmao. I’m just a lowly Trumper.
  - papertokyo 6y ago
    Your clear lack of desire of ability to engage with some very reasonable and intelligent points is exactly why Trump supporters are frequently characterized this way. You're a sheep if you blindly follow a small number of news outlets that lean very far to one side and spend most of your time surrounded by people with similar views. (This goes either way, of course) Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, but I haven't seen any examples of people demonstrating that sort of behaviour and ideology who aren't Trump supporters. That should be food for thought.
    - bra-ket 6y ago
      I’m surrounded by liberals and their bs, just like you. My only source of disinformation is liberal/mainstream media, just like yours. And I haven’t seen as many lies as I’ve seen last year, and this one, oh God. I’m ‘radicalized’ by you, dear liberal people, and I’m one of the 75M.
      - hayst4ck 6y ago
        > I’m surrounded by liberals and their bs If everything around you smells like shit, check your shoe.
        bra-ket 6y ago
        I wish you were right.
    - wtfiswiththis 6y ago
      Yea this guy is clearly radicalized. Consider this: Trump called people "Very fine" in response to one of his followers committing an ISIS-style ramming attack that killed a girl at the Unite the Right rally. He was meant to denounce the attack but ended up giving his fanatics a nod and a wink. At least one of those people were present at the Capitol siege, he made it into Pelosi's office. After the siege Trump called these people special. Again with the wink and nod instead of denouncing things outright. Same people, years later engaging in the same terrorist activity, again supported by Trump during a time when he was meant to denounce. The guy who was present for both incidents goes by "Baked Alaska."

hayst4ck 6y ago

I don't think you answered the questions in good faith, and I think I responded to you in good faith. If a sheep is someone who: "tends to trust lies they've been force-fed, without questioning." Then what is a good measure of who is a sheep or not? I questioned your beliefs, and you gave me back lines from your echo chamber verbatim. Here's some good questions for you: "What are some of the weak points of my belief system?" "What might I be wrong about?" "What is a good faith summary of the other person's argument?" If you're acting in good faith, those shouldn't be even remotely hard questions. If those are hard questions and can't be answered directly, you should re-examine who is a sheep.

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bra-ket 6y ago
Nah, I think I answered it alright , why don’t you go after leftist media and their propaganda , ask WaPo to provide a “good faith summary of other person argument” when they accuse ALL Trump supporters of being racist ‘white supremacists’ indiscriminately and without evidence on daily basis for years, inciting witch hunts and riots. What you’re doing is called demagogy, or worse, sealioning. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, just apply your high standards of good faith argument to left wing media and their culture of political ‘discourse’, lmao. I’m just a lowly Trumper.
- papertokyo 6y ago
  Your clear lack of desire of ability to engage with some very reasonable and intelligent points is exactly why Trump supporters are frequently characterized this way. You're a sheep if you blindly follow a small number of news outlets that lean very far to one side and spend most of your time surrounded by people with similar views. (This goes either way, of course) Not all Trump supporters are white supremacists, but I haven't seen any examples of people demonstrating that sort of behaviour and ideology who aren't Trump supporters. That should be food for thought.
  - bra-ket 6y ago
    I’m surrounded by liberals and their bs, just like you. My only source of disinformation is liberal/mainstream media, just like yours. And I haven’t seen as many lies as I’ve seen last year, and this one, oh God. I’m ‘radicalized’ by you, dear liberal people, and I’m one of the 75M.
    - hayst4ck 6y ago
      > I’m surrounded by liberals and their bs If everything around you smells like shit, check your shoe.
      - bra-ket 6y ago
        I wish you were right.
  - wtfiswiththis 6y ago
    Yea this guy is clearly radicalized. Consider this: Trump called people "Very fine" in response to one of his followers committing an ISIS-style ramming attack that killed a girl at the Unite the Right rally. He was meant to denounce the attack but ended up giving his fanatics a nod and a wink. At least one of those people were present at the Capitol siege, he made it into Pelosi's office. After the siege Trump called these people special. Again with the wink and nod instead of denouncing things outright. Same people, years later engaging in the same terrorist activity, again supported by Trump during a time when he was meant to denounce. The guy who was present for both incidents goes by "Baked Alaska."