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I truly, truly do not understand. We know far right extremists have infiltrated law enforcement agencies. We know many people who participated in the terrorist

I truly, truly do not understand. We know far right extremists have infiltrated law enforcement agencies. We know many people who participated in the terrorist attack on the Capitol were in law enforcement. We know even some of the uniformed officers were fraternizing with and aiding the terrorists. These are facts. Why on earth would we not try to detect and remove these people from law enforcement agencies?

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odessacubbage 6y ago
because that is literally how you create a trained insurgency.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  Many countries have had to prune their police forces of extremists. East Germany, Northern Ireland, South Africa... Generally, the negative consequences of this have been minor and manageable; it's a path already well-trodden.
  - ciceryadam 6y ago
    Germany in 2019: https://m.dw.com/en/neo-nazi-scandal-hits-german-elite-military-unit/a-51490089 https://m.dw.com/en/neo-nazi-scandal-hits-german-elite-milit...
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      That's absolutely a real and serious issue, but it's a separate issue to the dissolution and reform of the East German police during unification, which didn't lead to a communist insurgency.
      - ciceryadam 6y ago
        I completely agree, 2 separate issues, one was successfully finished, as there are no new Stasi members joining the police ranks - but the other issue is ever present. I think there should be "radicalization" checks for any people in position of power (Police/Military), and if they don't uphold the values of the country anymore, they should be let go from their jobs.
- zbentley 6y ago
  Even if that's what would happen (and I don't think it is), an insurgency is better than those people being authorized agents of the state. Better of two bad alternatives, but deradicalization of in-power authorities while they still hold power is an impossibly tall order.
atlgator 6y ago
Do we know that? Or is it just propaganda to manipulate us? Because it sounds like a conspiracy theory.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  As for the mass infiltration of law enforcement by far right extremists, both official agencies such as the FBI and independent investigators have produced copious evidence and all reached that conclusion. As for law enforcement involvement in the terrorist attack on the capitol, there are plenty of videos. Law enforcement agencies around the country have also disclosed that some of their officers were involved, which seems like an odd thing to fabricate. So yes. We know that.

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odessacubbage 6y ago

because that is literally how you create a trained insurgency.

rsynnott 6y ago
Many countries have had to prune their police forces of extremists. East Germany, Northern Ireland, South Africa... Generally, the negative consequences of this have been minor and manageable; it's a path already well-trodden.
- ciceryadam 6y ago
  Germany in 2019: https://m.dw.com/en/neo-nazi-scandal-hits-german-elite-military-unit/a-51490089 https://m.dw.com/en/neo-nazi-scandal-hits-german-elite-milit...
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    That's absolutely a real and serious issue, but it's a separate issue to the dissolution and reform of the East German police during unification, which didn't lead to a communist insurgency.
    - ciceryadam 6y ago
      I completely agree, 2 separate issues, one was successfully finished, as there are no new Stasi members joining the police ranks - but the other issue is ever present. I think there should be "radicalization" checks for any people in position of power (Police/Military), and if they don't uphold the values of the country anymore, they should be let go from their jobs.
zbentley 6y ago
Even if that's what would happen (and I don't think it is), an insurgency is better than those people being authorized agents of the state. Better of two bad alternatives, but deradicalization of in-power authorities while they still hold power is an impossibly tall order.

atlgator 6y ago

Do we know that? Or is it just propaganda to manipulate us? Because it sounds like a conspiracy theory.

jakelazaroff 6y ago
As for the mass infiltration of law enforcement by far right extremists, both official agencies such as the FBI and independent investigators have produced copious evidence and all reached that conclusion. As for law enforcement involvement in the terrorist attack on the capitol, there are plenty of videos. Law enforcement agencies around the country have also disclosed that some of their officers were involved, which seems like an odd thing to fabricate. So yes. We know that.