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Do you have a source for “millions of people”?

cactus2093 6y ago
This article gives it a funny framing by just brushing it off as “few”, but claims 15% of Americans support abolishing the police https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/abolish-police-gallup-poll/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/abolish-pol... 15% of the roughly 200M adults in the US is 30 million people.
- omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
  The article also stated that there may have been problems with the poll, like not differentiating between total elimination and partially dismantling police departments. If presented as total elimination of police departments, the survey might have missed support for more nuanced calls to dismantle police, said Phillip Atiba Goff, co-founder of the Center for Policing Equity. “One notion of abolition is the need for discontinuity from the violent and racist past of law enforcement,” he said.
  - cactus2093 6y ago
    The way I read it that quote is saying the 15% would be higher if you included both the people who want to abolish and those who want more moderate reform. It’s not saying that it already includes both groups.
- ABeeSea 6y ago
  That’s not what your article says lol. Do you have another source for your outlandish claim?
  - dang 6y ago
    Please stop using HN for political battle and flamewar. We've already had to ask you this once: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23173294 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23173294, and we ban accounts that abuse the site like this, regardless of their politics. Other people being wrong or behaving badly doesn't make it ok to break the rules.
- TeaDrunk 6y ago
  My speculation is that the actual phasing means very different things to very different people, and thus the actual nuance of what people believe in aggregate to be useless to discern by their agreement or disagreement with singular phrases. For example, "abolishing the police, with context that they would be replaced with equally strong mutual support systems, social workers, mental and physical health workers" could be a vast majority of that 15%, or it could be the vast minority of that 15%. We just don't know.
  - Aunche 6y ago
    Social workers aren't going to stop people from breaching the Capitol.
    - notahacker 6y ago
      No, but it's pretty normal to think that the people attending domestic incidents to identify whether a crime has committed and the people guarding the legislature should have different rules of engagement, training and quite possibly uniforms. I'm the first person to argue that 'defund the police' was a terrible slogan to adopt, but that's precisely because everyone jumps to saying "but we don't actually mean have no publicly subsidised law enforcement". Even if the rafts of related reform proposals are still far too idealistic for the real world, it's not a position comparable to the Q faithful having the numbers to win primaries.
    - TeaDrunk 6y ago
      Well neither did the cops, so I don't see your point.
akiselev 6y ago
Many people are saying it was a Twitter user named "MillionsOfPeople"

cactus2093 6y ago

This article gives it a funny framing by just brushing it off as “few”, but claims 15% of Americans support abolishing the police https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/abolish-police-gallup-poll/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/22/abolish-pol... 15% of the roughly 200M adults in the US is 30 million people.

omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
The article also stated that there may have been problems with the poll, like not differentiating between total elimination and partially dismantling police departments. If presented as total elimination of police departments, the survey might have missed support for more nuanced calls to dismantle police, said Phillip Atiba Goff, co-founder of the Center for Policing Equity. “One notion of abolition is the need for discontinuity from the violent and racist past of law enforcement,” he said.
- cactus2093 6y ago
  The way I read it that quote is saying the 15% would be higher if you included both the people who want to abolish and those who want more moderate reform. It’s not saying that it already includes both groups.
ABeeSea 6y ago
That’s not what your article says lol. Do you have another source for your outlandish claim?
- dang 6y ago
  Please stop using HN for political battle and flamewar. We've already had to ask you this once: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23173294 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23173294, and we ban accounts that abuse the site like this, regardless of their politics. Other people being wrong or behaving badly doesn't make it ok to break the rules.
TeaDrunk 6y ago
My speculation is that the actual phasing means very different things to very different people, and thus the actual nuance of what people believe in aggregate to be useless to discern by their agreement or disagreement with singular phrases. For example, "abolishing the police, with context that they would be replaced with equally strong mutual support systems, social workers, mental and physical health workers" could be a vast majority of that 15%, or it could be the vast minority of that 15%. We just don't know.
- Aunche 6y ago
  Social workers aren't going to stop people from breaching the Capitol.
  - notahacker 6y ago
    No, but it's pretty normal to think that the people attending domestic incidents to identify whether a crime has committed and the people guarding the legislature should have different rules of engagement, training and quite possibly uniforms. I'm the first person to argue that 'defund the police' was a terrible slogan to adopt, but that's precisely because everyone jumps to saying "but we don't actually mean have no publicly subsidised law enforcement". Even if the rafts of related reform proposals are still far too idealistic for the real world, it's not a position comparable to the Q faithful having the numbers to win primaries.
  - TeaDrunk 6y ago
    Well neither did the cops, so I don't see your point.

akiselev 6y ago

Many people are saying it was a Twitter user named "MillionsOfPeople"