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> Since the 90s the alarm has been sounded about the infiltration of police forces across the country by white nationalists and neonazis. IIRC, there have been

by ardy42 6y ago

> Since the 90s the alarm has been sounded about the infiltration of police forces across the country by white nationalists and neonazis. IIRC, there have been big scandals about that in Germany recently. The neonazis have been infiltrating the military there, too, to the point where they had to disband an entire special forces unit, because it was too far gone to be cleaned up. Honestly, the liberal fixation on gun control seems a really short sighted to me, given that kind of infiltration and the general right-leaning nature of law enforcement and the military [1]. It seems far more likely to me that liberals (and minorities) would someday need to rise up against an oppressive government than conservatives would be, even though conservatives like to fantasize about that kind of thing more. [1] Proven very clearly by the events in Kenosha: police shot an unarmed black man in the back, but didn't even stop an armed white kid who just shot three people.

sokoloff 6y ago
> the events in Kenosha: police shot an unarmed black man in the back I believe it’s been established as fact that Jacob Blake was armed with a knife when he was shot. I’m not drawing any conclusion about the justification [not comparison], but he was not “unarmed”. https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/new-audio-shares-the-moment-jacob-blake-confessed-to-being-armed-das-investigation-reveals https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/new-audio-shares-the-mo...
- ardy42 6y ago
  > I believe it’s been established as fact that Jacob Blake was armed with a knife when he was shot. I’m not drawing any conclusion about the justification [not comparison], but he was not “unarmed”. I stand corrected, though it doesn't detract any from my overall point. The shooting was still BS: > Blake details returning to his SUV while in possession of the knife. It was that knife that Sheskey said he saw moments before the DA said Sheskey followed his training and began firing until there was no longer a threat. Sheskey shot Blake seven times, paralyzing the 27-year-old father of three. I don't think someone holding a knife and walking away from you can be properly categorized as an actual "threat."
  - rufus_foreman 6y ago
    Felony warrant for sexual assault at the address of the woman who called in the domestic disturbance, kid in the car, Blake has said "I'm taking the kid and I'm taking the car". They've tried to physically restrain him, but he is stronger than them, they've tried to taser him but he ripped the wires out. He's got a knife and he's trying to get in the car that the kid is in. "P.O. Sheskey stated 'Blake, for the first time, showed intent to harm by driving the knife towards his (P.O. Sheskey's) torso.' P.O. Arenas also said, 'at that moment, he feared the armed subject (Blake) was about to stab P.O. Sheskey.' He (P.O. Arenas) would have tried to stop Blake's advances with the knife, but 'he did not have a clear shot due to the positioning of the door.' P.O. Sheskey 'feared that Blake was going to stab him, and he could not retreat because the child could be harmed, taken hostage, or abducted by Blake.' 'For these reasons, he discharged his firearm towards Jacob Blake.' He stated that he later determined that he shot (7) shots and did not stop until Blake dropped the knife." That's from the independent evaluation at https://www.kenoshacounty.org/DocumentCenter/View/11830/Use-of-Force-Expert-Noble-Wray-Independent-Evaluation-and-Report https://www.kenoshacounty.org/DocumentCenter/View/11830/Use-..., video at https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-police-kenosha-wis-shooting-black-man-back-n1237819 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-police-keno.... I'm so glad I have a desk job.
Xylakant 6y ago
> The neonazis have been infiltrating the military there, too, to the point where they had to disband an entire special forces unit, because it was too far gone to be cleaned up. I think you’re talking about the KSK (Kommando Spezialkräfte, Special Forces) and it was only partially dismantled. Still, that’s bad enough, obviously. https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/ksk-aufloesung-umstruktierung-rechtsextremismus-akk-102.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/ksk-aufloesung-umstru...

by ardy42 6y ago

sokoloff 6y ago

> the events in Kenosha: police shot an unarmed black man in the back I believe it’s been established as fact that Jacob Blake was armed with a knife when he was shot. I’m not drawing any conclusion about the justification [not comparison], but he was not “unarmed”. https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/new-audio-shares-the-moment-jacob-blake-confessed-to-being-armed-das-investigation-reveals https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/new-audio-shares-the-mo...

ardy42 6y ago
> I believe it’s been established as fact that Jacob Blake was armed with a knife when he was shot. I’m not drawing any conclusion about the justification [not comparison], but he was not “unarmed”. I stand corrected, though it doesn't detract any from my overall point. The shooting was still BS: > Blake details returning to his SUV while in possession of the knife. It was that knife that Sheskey said he saw moments before the DA said Sheskey followed his training and began firing until there was no longer a threat. Sheskey shot Blake seven times, paralyzing the 27-year-old father of three. I don't think someone holding a knife and walking away from you can be properly categorized as an actual "threat."
- rufus_foreman 6y ago
  Felony warrant for sexual assault at the address of the woman who called in the domestic disturbance, kid in the car, Blake has said "I'm taking the kid and I'm taking the car". They've tried to physically restrain him, but he is stronger than them, they've tried to taser him but he ripped the wires out. He's got a knife and he's trying to get in the car that the kid is in. "P.O. Sheskey stated 'Blake, for the first time, showed intent to harm by driving the knife towards his (P.O. Sheskey's) torso.' P.O. Arenas also said, 'at that moment, he feared the armed subject (Blake) was about to stab P.O. Sheskey.' He (P.O. Arenas) would have tried to stop Blake's advances with the knife, but 'he did not have a clear shot due to the positioning of the door.' P.O. Sheskey 'feared that Blake was going to stab him, and he could not retreat because the child could be harmed, taken hostage, or abducted by Blake.' 'For these reasons, he discharged his firearm towards Jacob Blake.' He stated that he later determined that he shot (7) shots and did not stop until Blake dropped the knife." That's from the independent evaluation at https://www.kenoshacounty.org/DocumentCenter/View/11830/Use-of-Force-Expert-Noble-Wray-Independent-Evaluation-and-Report https://www.kenoshacounty.org/DocumentCenter/View/11830/Use-..., video at https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-police-kenosha-wis-shooting-black-man-back-n1237819 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-shows-police-keno.... I'm so glad I have a desk job.

Xylakant 6y ago

> The neonazis have been infiltrating the military there, too, to the point where they had to disband an entire special forces unit, because it was too far gone to be cleaned up. I think you’re talking about the KSK (Kommando Spezialkräfte, Special Forces) and it was only partially dismantled. Still, that’s bad enough, obviously. https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/ksk-aufloesung-umstruktierung-rechtsextremismus-akk-102.html https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/ksk-aufloesung-umstru...