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> or if we’re actually enabling good moral and ethical decisions What an unbelievably patronizing worldview. Personally, I think classical industry should act

> or if we’re actually enabling good moral and ethical decisions What an unbelievably patronizing worldview. Personally, I think classical industry should act in kind, and refuse to sell gasoline, clothes, electricity, food, etc. to anyone who gave voice to BLM. Let's see who wins this tiresome war of refusing to do business with anyone whom we disagree.

pmarreck 6y ago
The best evidence I could find says 7% of the protests weren't peaceful, and those almost entirely after sundown. You might argue that 7% has already lost an org credibility, but that's still 93% of protests that were peaceful. Also, if you were black, how many George Floyd-esque videos do you think it would take you to see before you got physically angry? (Note that I'm partially blaming the media optimizing for outrage, here)
- abernard1 6y ago
  And 7% of those protests killed over 25 people and caused > $1B in damage. 6th street in Austin is completely gone. People who live in major metros may not understand this, but rural America is laughing at them. These cities are national embarrassments. But that's not the point. The point is the sheer arrogance required to believe that they're qualified to control what people are allowed to read. These same people can't even keep their cities from being burned down, 50+% increases in murder rates, fecal matter on the streets, people leaving in droves... I'm supposed to listen to them? Really?
  - wool_gather 6y ago
    Disregarding the hyperbole, rural areas have their own set of problems that seem outrageous in turn to city dwellers. It's easy to scorn the speck in your neighbor's eye; removing one's own is more constructive.
    - abernard1 6y ago
      They most definitely do have their own set of problems. But if 90% of Twitter was run by Republicans who lived exclusively in rural areas, would you like it if they deplatformed Biden? Would that be construed as offensive? Because that exact scenario is happening in reverse. People at tech companies in San Francisco who vote 90+% Democrat have just kicked off the Republican president of the United States. They've been talking about it for years, and this event is just pretext.
      - true_religion 6y ago
        As a republicans living in a rural area, I have to disagree with your logic. The issue with Trump isn’t his politics but his policy. I agree with his politics, we are both nominally Republican after all, but when he goes to implement it the policy is incompetent at best and actively harmful at worst. For example, both Trump and I support the ideal of strong Republican leadership. I want to achieve that via elections, he aimed to achieve that through illegal power grabs attempts at last 4 years capped off with inciting a violent riot against his political opponents. He has simply gone too far. He stood in front of a crowd and told them to seize the party for himself, then after the riot called them patriots and told them they are loved.
        abernard1 6y ago
        Fine, you disagree. But statistically, Trump has overwhelming support within the Republican party, even after this. Vast majorities of Republican voters believe that Biden stole the election. Scarily huge majorities of Republican voters believe that something approaching Civil War is possible. Similar numbers exist that believe Democrats were trying to invalidate the 2016 election with their calls for impeachment before Trump even took office. If San Francisco had any diversity of thought at all, it would understand how damaging their petty bans and disclaimers have been. But it doesn't. The perverse reality is that San Francisco has become an echo chamber.
  - pmarreck 6y ago
    > 6th street in Austin is completely gone I’ve been to Austin and to 6th Street. Tragic. > These same people They’re us. We’re all the same people. Maybe try asking them why they’re upset first before going “WHY do THOSE PEOPLE have to act like this?”

pmarreck 6y ago

The best evidence I could find says 7% of the protests weren't peaceful, and those almost entirely after sundown. You might argue that 7% has already lost an org credibility, but that's still 93% of protests that were peaceful. Also, if you were black, how many George Floyd-esque videos do you think it would take you to see before you got physically angry? (Note that I'm partially blaming the media optimizing for outrage, here)

abernard1 6y ago
And 7% of those protests killed over 25 people and caused > $1B in damage. 6th street in Austin is completely gone. People who live in major metros may not understand this, but rural America is laughing at them. These cities are national embarrassments. But that's not the point. The point is the sheer arrogance required to believe that they're qualified to control what people are allowed to read. These same people can't even keep their cities from being burned down, 50+% increases in murder rates, fecal matter on the streets, people leaving in droves... I'm supposed to listen to them? Really?
- wool_gather 6y ago
  Disregarding the hyperbole, rural areas have their own set of problems that seem outrageous in turn to city dwellers. It's easy to scorn the speck in your neighbor's eye; removing one's own is more constructive.
  - abernard1 6y ago
    They most definitely do have their own set of problems. But if 90% of Twitter was run by Republicans who lived exclusively in rural areas, would you like it if they deplatformed Biden? Would that be construed as offensive? Because that exact scenario is happening in reverse. People at tech companies in San Francisco who vote 90+% Democrat have just kicked off the Republican president of the United States. They've been talking about it for years, and this event is just pretext.
    - true_religion 6y ago
      As a republicans living in a rural area, I have to disagree with your logic. The issue with Trump isn’t his politics but his policy. I agree with his politics, we are both nominally Republican after all, but when he goes to implement it the policy is incompetent at best and actively harmful at worst. For example, both Trump and I support the ideal of strong Republican leadership. I want to achieve that via elections, he aimed to achieve that through illegal power grabs attempts at last 4 years capped off with inciting a violent riot against his political opponents. He has simply gone too far. He stood in front of a crowd and told them to seize the party for himself, then after the riot called them patriots and told them they are loved.
      - abernard1 6y ago
        Fine, you disagree. But statistically, Trump has overwhelming support within the Republican party, even after this. Vast majorities of Republican voters believe that Biden stole the election. Scarily huge majorities of Republican voters believe that something approaching Civil War is possible. Similar numbers exist that believe Democrats were trying to invalidate the 2016 election with their calls for impeachment before Trump even took office. If San Francisco had any diversity of thought at all, it would understand how damaging their petty bans and disclaimers have been. But it doesn't. The perverse reality is that San Francisco has become an echo chamber.
- pmarreck 6y ago
  > 6th street in Austin is completely gone I’ve been to Austin and to 6th Street. Tragic. > These same people They’re us. We’re all the same people. Maybe try asking them why they’re upset first before going “WHY do THOSE PEOPLE have to act like this?”