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Boeing has been repeatedly undermining its engineers and has been finding way to cut costs, that has killed hundreds so far. They just settled in a court case a

Boeing has been repeatedly undermining its engineers and has been finding way to cut costs, that has killed hundreds so far. They just settled in a court case a few days ago. And you wonder why I don't want to fly Boeing? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EESYomdoeCs&ab_channel=BloombergQuicktake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EESYomdoeCs&ab_channel=Bloom... https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-reaches-2-5-billion-settlement-of-u-s-probe-into-737-max-crashes-11610054729 https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-reaches-2-5-billion-sett... And the cars are in my control. I can choose the best possible car I can afford, I can drive responsibly. I can use public transport whenever I can. Planes may be statistically safer, but when companies cut costs to undermine people's lives, they deserve to pay for it.

netsharc 6y ago
This page says 16+ million flights in the USA occur yearly: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers/ https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers/ Sure, maybe it's pre-COVID info. Let's do a Fermi "how many piano tuners" and say subtracting the small private jets and Airbus, there are 5 million flights on Boeing hardware, in the USA alone. Let's say maybe 20 million worldwide (probably way too low a number). There were 20 million successful flights with Boeing hardware per year, year after year. 1 of them crashes, and you say "Never flying a Boeing again?". Anyway, why should I take some random Internet outburst seriously. How about I make a $1000 bet that you'll find yourself on a Boeing flight between now and Jan 1, 2026? Would you be willing to do that?
weaksauce 6y ago
in all reality it's probably not on boeing. it's a 26 year old plane that operates in a company that had a checkered past wrt safety and was in danger of losing their license. no plane is safe if they skip out on maintenance or pilot training.
- eloff 6y ago
  Yeah, let's put it this way, if it is a Boeing problem it's surprising that it goes 26 years undetected and it's worrying because that's the most popular airframe out there today. This is much more likely to be related to the specific maintenance of the plane, actions of the pilots, or a terrorist thing - Indonesia is a Muslim country that recently banned some extremist groups.
  - weaksauce 6y ago
    > or a terrorist thing yeah the banning of the extremist groups is a bit close to the mark but do you think they'd be able to plan and execute something of this nature in a few weeks?

netsharc 6y ago

This page says 16+ million flights in the USA occur yearly: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers/ https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers/ Sure, maybe it's pre-COVID info. Let's do a Fermi "how many piano tuners" and say subtracting the small private jets and Airbus, there are 5 million flights on Boeing hardware, in the USA alone. Let's say maybe 20 million worldwide (probably way too low a number). There were 20 million successful flights with Boeing hardware per year, year after year. 1 of them crashes, and you say "Never flying a Boeing again?". Anyway, why should I take some random Internet outburst seriously. How about I make a $1000 bet that you'll find yourself on a Boeing flight between now and Jan 1, 2026? Would you be willing to do that?

weaksauce 6y ago

in all reality it's probably not on boeing. it's a 26 year old plane that operates in a company that had a checkered past wrt safety and was in danger of losing their license. no plane is safe if they skip out on maintenance or pilot training.

eloff 6y ago
Yeah, let's put it this way, if it is a Boeing problem it's surprising that it goes 26 years undetected and it's worrying because that's the most popular airframe out there today. This is much more likely to be related to the specific maintenance of the plane, actions of the pilots, or a terrorist thing - Indonesia is a Muslim country that recently banned some extremist groups.
- weaksauce 6y ago
  > or a terrorist thing yeah the banning of the extremist groups is a bit close to the mark but do you think they'd be able to plan and execute something of this nature in a few weeks?