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These Hong Kong supporters are a true inspiration for Americans. Their occupation of the legislature shows what a free people could do against oppression

by Leary 6y ago

ceilingcorner 6y ago
I remember seeing them waving American flags during protests, presumably as a reference to liberty. I thought, “I wish we lived up to their perceptions of us.”
- loceng 6y ago
  Of course the CCP used those photos as propaganda to reenforce the arguably false narrative presented to mainland Chinese that the CIA was behind the resistance. The psychological aspect of warfare never ceases to amaze me.
  - dragonsh 6y ago
    Not everything is a propaganda there is some truth to it, given Hong Kong is the only ground left for US to try to destabilise China to slow its growth. This is also the reason China took hardline on Hong Kong as they see it as strategic weak spot. Moreover actions of China in Hong Kong are supported by majority of people in China. This tyranny of majority exists in democracy too, what happened in Kashmir is 100 times worse than HK. Given the way US president pardoned people who committed genocide in Afganistan and killed scores of kids and unarmed civilians. There is hardly any ground left for them to teach others. No real death in over an year of violent protests by police firing in Hong Kong vs 5 deaths in capitol building siege speaks volumes about the professionalism with which Hong Kong police handled the protests. China is built by hard work of its people not by CCP [1]. May be work there for a while and than you can see why Korea, Japan and Greater China did so well not others in growth. It’s easy to talk rhetoric, but hard to do hard work to bring about transformation. [1] https://danwang.co/2020-letter/ https://danwang.co/2020-letter/
    - jcytong 6y ago
      It's mostly CCP propaganda though if you actually talk to HK people and see how the majority of them tried to work within the system to "make the change" since the early 90s and fight for what was promised in the Basic Law[1] which was drafted by a committee with 36 representatives from China and 23 from HK. It promised that the Chief Executive of HK and its legislative council to be formed by an election.[2] The Chief Executive election has been delayed for 2 decades requiring the CCP to "pre-filter" candidates which the public rejected. The legislative council election has been controlled by disqualifying candidates as well as the mass arrest of 53 pro-democracy candidates for simply organizing the primaries and engaging in debates. [3] TLDR; China wasn't as strong in 90s so took a softer stance. Later decided to go back on its words so had to find ways to control the elections or the results. > No real death in over an year of violent protests by police firing in Hong Kong vs 5 deaths in capitol building siege speaks volumes about the professionalism with which Hong Kong police handled the protests. This is not true. After witnessing the 2019 movement and the real police behavior captured on live tv/news[4], I have a much better understanding of the Stanford prisoner experiment. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Basic_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Basic_Law [2]https://www.basiclaw.gov.hk/en/basiclawtext/chapter_4.html https://www.basiclaw.gov.hk/en/basiclawtext/chapter_4.html [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hong_Kong_Legislative_Council_candidates%27_disqualification_controversyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_protests#During_confrontations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hong_Kong_Legislative_Cou... [4]https://tl.hkrev.info/en/police-timeline/ https://tl.hkrev.info/en/police-timeline/
      - dragonsh 6y ago
        There are two sides of coin in HK. People who supported violent protestors and people who didn’t. Like any other society some support govt and some do not. People who support govt and not protestors their shops, restaurants, businesses vandalised and were constantly harassed. It became politically impossible to voice against the protestors due to fear of violence, know this first hand not by talking but living through it. Please read the Basic Law and also the extradition bill [1]. Extradition being better was still opposed and ultimately National security law was passed to give teeth to administration to stop violent protests. It’s the vehement majority of Hong Kong people who gave rights to reinterpret Basic Law to stem the flow of people from mainland China (since court of final appeal was going to allow spouses and children of Hong Kong residents from other parts of China to settle in HK). This is the same provision used for implementing National security law. So in HK people got what they asked for and also majority Chinese supported this action on HK. So like any democracy like USA and India a law which appease majority pass easily same happened here. [1] https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr18-19/english/bills/b201903291.pdf https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr18-19/english/bills/b201903291.pd...
- joe433343 6y ago
  As a not a native American. The one thing that i admire most about America is its importance to liberty as part of the constitution and as a main stream culture.
  - rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
    FYI the term "Native American" usually refers to the indigenous people of America. You could maybe refer to yourself as "non-American," a "first-gen American," or an "American immigrant," depending on what you are and what you're trying to say.
- koonsolo 6y ago
  European here. What happend now in US was a total shitshow, but in the end it's nice to see that your democratic system took the upper hand. So be proud that your system works, and you didn't end up in some sort of Russian democracy.

These Hong Kong supporters are a true inspiration for Americans. Their occupation of the legislature shows what a free people could do against oppression

by Leary 6y ago

These Hong Kong supporters are a true inspiration for Americans. Their occupation of the legislature shows what a free people could do against oppression

ceilingcorner 6y ago

I remember seeing them waving American flags during protests, presumably as a reference to liberty. I thought, “I wish we lived up to their perceptions of us.”

loceng 6y ago
Of course the CCP used those photos as propaganda to reenforce the arguably false narrative presented to mainland Chinese that the CIA was behind the resistance. The psychological aspect of warfare never ceases to amaze me.
- dragonsh 6y ago
  Not everything is a propaganda there is some truth to it, given Hong Kong is the only ground left for US to try to destabilise China to slow its growth. This is also the reason China took hardline on Hong Kong as they see it as strategic weak spot. Moreover actions of China in Hong Kong are supported by majority of people in China. This tyranny of majority exists in democracy too, what happened in Kashmir is 100 times worse than HK. Given the way US president pardoned people who committed genocide in Afganistan and killed scores of kids and unarmed civilians. There is hardly any ground left for them to teach others. No real death in over an year of violent protests by police firing in Hong Kong vs 5 deaths in capitol building siege speaks volumes about the professionalism with which Hong Kong police handled the protests. China is built by hard work of its people not by CCP [1]. May be work there for a while and than you can see why Korea, Japan and Greater China did so well not others in growth. It’s easy to talk rhetoric, but hard to do hard work to bring about transformation. [1] https://danwang.co/2020-letter/ https://danwang.co/2020-letter/
  - jcytong 6y ago
    It's mostly CCP propaganda though if you actually talk to HK people and see how the majority of them tried to work within the system to "make the change" since the early 90s and fight for what was promised in the Basic Law[1] which was drafted by a committee with 36 representatives from China and 23 from HK. It promised that the Chief Executive of HK and its legislative council to be formed by an election.[2] The Chief Executive election has been delayed for 2 decades requiring the CCP to "pre-filter" candidates which the public rejected. The legislative council election has been controlled by disqualifying candidates as well as the mass arrest of 53 pro-democracy candidates for simply organizing the primaries and engaging in debates. [3] TLDR; China wasn't as strong in 90s so took a softer stance. Later decided to go back on its words so had to find ways to control the elections or the results. > No real death in over an year of violent protests by police firing in Hong Kong vs 5 deaths in capitol building siege speaks volumes about the professionalism with which Hong Kong police handled the protests. This is not true. After witnessing the 2019 movement and the real police behavior captured on live tv/news[4], I have a much better understanding of the Stanford prisoner experiment. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Basic_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Basic_Law [2]https://www.basiclaw.gov.hk/en/basiclawtext/chapter_4.html https://www.basiclaw.gov.hk/en/basiclawtext/chapter_4.html [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hong_Kong_Legislative_Council_candidates%27_disqualification_controversyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Hong_Kong_protests#During_confrontations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hong_Kong_Legislative_Cou... [4]https://tl.hkrev.info/en/police-timeline/ https://tl.hkrev.info/en/police-timeline/
    - dragonsh 6y ago
      There are two sides of coin in HK. People who supported violent protestors and people who didn’t. Like any other society some support govt and some do not. People who support govt and not protestors their shops, restaurants, businesses vandalised and were constantly harassed. It became politically impossible to voice against the protestors due to fear of violence, know this first hand not by talking but living through it. Please read the Basic Law and also the extradition bill [1]. Extradition being better was still opposed and ultimately National security law was passed to give teeth to administration to stop violent protests. It’s the vehement majority of Hong Kong people who gave rights to reinterpret Basic Law to stem the flow of people from mainland China (since court of final appeal was going to allow spouses and children of Hong Kong residents from other parts of China to settle in HK). This is the same provision used for implementing National security law. So in HK people got what they asked for and also majority Chinese supported this action on HK. So like any democracy like USA and India a law which appease majority pass easily same happened here. [1] https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr18-19/english/bills/b201903291.pdf https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr18-19/english/bills/b201903291.pd...
joe433343 6y ago
As a not a native American. The one thing that i admire most about America is its importance to liberty as part of the constitution and as a main stream culture.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
  FYI the term "Native American" usually refers to the indigenous people of America. You could maybe refer to yourself as "non-American," a "first-gen American," or an "American immigrant," depending on what you are and what you're trying to say.
koonsolo 6y ago
European here. What happend now in US was a total shitshow, but in the end it's nice to see that your democratic system took the upper hand. So be proud that your system works, and you didn't end up in some sort of Russian democracy.