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I don't agree with statehood, but you could just as well argue that putting a base there is the best way to _avoid_ a war* between China and Taiwan. Doing so co

I don't agree with statehood, but you could just as well argue that putting a base there is the best way to _avoid_ a war* between China and Taiwan. Doing so could be a _peaceful_ action. *typo: "way" -> 'war"

FpUser 6y ago
You can not put a base in a single day. This will be a process which you can not hide from China. You think they'll just swallow it and will not attack Taiwan at the first hint of event? In my opinion it is not a _peaceful_ action but an act of a lunatic who does not give a shit about human lives.
- CogitoCogito 6y ago
  Of course you can't hide it. And of course it's possible they may decide to attack Taiwan if it were attempted. It's also possible that not doing so _guarantees_ an attack by China. It's all a balance of probabilities. One could very well rationally decide the likelihood of China attacking Taiwan decreases by putting a base there. I'm not saying that conclusion is guaranteed correct, or that you should agree with it, but you should have the intellectual honestly to admit it's possible. Pretending such an act is lunacy is ridiculous.
  - echelon 6y ago
    Offer statehood first. If China attacks a US state, they've declared war.
    - CogitoCogito 6y ago
      I don't think it's a good idea to nurse this idea for the following reasons: 1. I don't believe Taiwanese want to be part of the US. They already have their own country. 2. The US shouldn't counter the Chinese imperialist ambitions of annexing Taiwan by doing something that could be viewed as the same thing. 3. It's not really necessary for what you want. The US could enter an open alliance with Taiwan if it wanted to making a Chinese declaration of war against Taiwan a declaration of war against the US. 4. The US should make a stand that the independent country of Taiwan has a right to exist and support that right alone not precondition on joining the US. I could go on, but I think this "Taiwan becomes a US state" thing that I see repeated a lot is just plain silly.
    - lazylizard 6y ago
      and if china offers statehood to hawaii? the chinese will view it as a declaration of war.
    - dang 6y ago
      Please stop taking HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar, or any flamewar. We've had to ask you this many times. It's starting to get not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: this is worse than I thought. You've been posting tons of comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25700845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25700845. HN is not a site for nationalistic flamewar. If you keep doing this we're going to have to ban you. No (to address the objection someone is bound to come up with), I'm not a communist foreign agent. I'm just trying to spare this site from descending further into hell—or at least to stave that off a little longer: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=stave%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....
  - FpUser 6y ago
    >"It's also possible that not doing so _guarantees_ an attack by China." Pissible and _guarantees_ - You can pretty much shorten it to "possible". There is no guarantee in here. Opening US base will be much closer to guarantee. But this is mute. I think/hope that US/Taiwan are not that stupid and do not start their morning routine by planning what's the best way to provoke war with China.

FpUser 6y ago

You can not put a base in a single day. This will be a process which you can not hide from China. You think they'll just swallow it and will not attack Taiwan at the first hint of event? In my opinion it is not a _peaceful_ action but an act of a lunatic who does not give a shit about human lives.

CogitoCogito 6y ago
Of course you can't hide it. And of course it's possible they may decide to attack Taiwan if it were attempted. It's also possible that not doing so _guarantees_ an attack by China. It's all a balance of probabilities. One could very well rationally decide the likelihood of China attacking Taiwan decreases by putting a base there. I'm not saying that conclusion is guaranteed correct, or that you should agree with it, but you should have the intellectual honestly to admit it's possible. Pretending such an act is lunacy is ridiculous.
- echelon 6y ago
  Offer statehood first. If China attacks a US state, they've declared war.
  - CogitoCogito 6y ago
    I don't think it's a good idea to nurse this idea for the following reasons: 1. I don't believe Taiwanese want to be part of the US. They already have their own country. 2. The US shouldn't counter the Chinese imperialist ambitions of annexing Taiwan by doing something that could be viewed as the same thing. 3. It's not really necessary for what you want. The US could enter an open alliance with Taiwan if it wanted to making a Chinese declaration of war against Taiwan a declaration of war against the US. 4. The US should make a stand that the independent country of Taiwan has a right to exist and support that right alone not precondition on joining the US. I could go on, but I think this "Taiwan becomes a US state" thing that I see repeated a lot is just plain silly.
  - lazylizard 6y ago
    and if china offers statehood to hawaii? the chinese will view it as a declaration of war.
  - dang 6y ago
    Please stop taking HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar, or any flamewar. We've had to ask you this many times. It's starting to get not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: this is worse than I thought. You've been posting tons of comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25700845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25700845. HN is not a site for nationalistic flamewar. If you keep doing this we're going to have to ban you. No (to address the objection someone is bound to come up with), I'm not a communist foreign agent. I'm just trying to spare this site from descending further into hell—or at least to stave that off a little longer: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=stave%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so....
- FpUser 6y ago
  >"It's also possible that not doing so _guarantees_ an attack by China." Pissible and _guarantees_ - You can pretty much shorten it to "possible". There is no guarantee in here. Opening US base will be much closer to guarantee. But this is mute. I think/hope that US/Taiwan are not that stupid and do not start their morning routine by planning what's the best way to provoke war with China.