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This had nothing to do with gun control however. The stand your ground rules (different in each state) pertain to use of deadly force (using any kind of weapon,

This had nothing to do with gun control however. The stand your ground rules (different in each state) pertain to use of deadly force (using any kind of weapon, including your fists.) Again you can not brandish (“parade”) a gun without a lawful reason. I have a concealed carry permit in a state that allows open carry. I have no interest in drawing attention to myself. Nor would I draw my weapon without real fear for my life. Beyond the fact that I would hurt someone, which I am not interested in doing if there’s a viable alternative, the costs of defending yourself (lawyers, probably losing my job, etc) after a shooting would bankrupt most people. For me, the idea of using a gun is as the last line of defense.

grecy 6y ago
>I have a concealed carry permit in a state that allows open carry.... Nor would I draw my weapon without real fear for my life Does it make you sad or disappointed you feel the need to carry a gun in your regular life just to feel safe and secure in your society? I've lived ~20 years in Canad and ~20 in Australia. My sister has lived ~20 in Australia and ~20 in the UK. The idea we would ever, ever feel the need to carry a gun is preposterous. The number of handguns either of us has seen in those countries in our life is exactly zero. I've spent time in 55 countries around the world, including almost all of Latin America and Africa, and I have never once felt the need for a firearm. The idea of living in a place where I feel the need to carry a lethal weapon is extremely hard to grasp. It's hard for me to read your comment and not think something is very wrong with a society when regular, peaceful and intelligent citizens feel the need to carry a firearm. FWIW, I own a hunting rifle here in Canada (.30/06, Remmington 700) and I enjoy hunting very much.
- lmilcin 6y ago
  My thoughts exactly. People say they need guns for defense. I can empathize with this, but I also understand that is just because there are other stupid people around carrying guns. There would not be a problem if nobody around had a gun. In countries like that there are outlets for people to be able to shoot guns. In Poland you can go to a shooting range and you can also get a permit for hunting or sport rifle. In either case the use of the gun is restricted so that general population doesn't have to worry about being around people with guns. I never felt a need to have a gun, ever. You don't have to worry about stupid entitled people either, they are harmless.
  - GiorgioG 6y ago
    > I also understand that is just because there are other stupid people around carrying guns. Your understanding is incorrect. I don't carry a gun because I fear others have guns at all. You all seem to think that a gun is the only way that someone can hurt you. When I was a younger man I was the victim of an attempted car-jacking. Fortunately quick thinking got me out of that situation. Regardless of whether this individual attempting to steal my car with me in it had a gun or not, he was physically larger than me and would have caused me harm (I did not grow up learning to fight.) The idea of other people having guns is not the primary reason I carry. I'm happy for you that you never felt the need to carry a gun. I'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one. I respect your opinion, but the fact is we all have different, valid life experiences that affect our behavior and actions. I feel safe not carrying (I don't live in a warzone,) but I feel much safer carrying when and where I can lawfully do so.
- GiorgioG 6y ago
  > FWIW, I own a hunting rifle here in Canada (.30/06, Remmington 700) and I enjoy hunting very much. It's funny, I think hunting is pretty inhumane (though I understand the need to manage the population, etc.) I'm not an advocate for making it illegal, it's just not for me. That's how I feel how guns should be looked at. If you don't want to own/carry a gun, that's your business - but don't try to stop me from doing so based on your preferences/opinions. Do guns wind up getting used to hurt people illegally - certainly. So do a lot of other things (alcohol, knives, vehicles, etc.) We don't ban them, we simply regulate them. We already have plenty of gun laws, and most people (99.999%) are law-abiding citizens.
  - grecy 6y ago
    I understand what you're saying, but you didn't answer my question. Are you disappointed or sad that you should need/want to carry a gun in your daily life? Are you happy your kids will live like that? I just... I just, feel like that's a really sad state of affairs, and it would be something I'd much rather work to get away from. I see it like having to build shelters for the homeless, or having safe injecting rooms - they're good stop-gap measures and help society, but the goal is to fix the problem so they aren't needed long-long term.
lmilcin 6y ago
The reality is that significant part of population is stupid. Effective gun control as it is implemented in many countries aims to exclude stupid people from owning guns as much as possible by requiring that you have real, strong, certified need to carry a gun. People who own a gun in such countries know exactly why they own a gun. In any of those countries you would very unlikely be allowed a permit. For example, here in Poland there are only two reasons for getting firearms permit: constant, hightened danger to your own life or when your actual job is to protect other people. In both cases the reason must be proven and documented.

grecy 6y ago

>I have a concealed carry permit in a state that allows open carry.... Nor would I draw my weapon without real fear for my life Does it make you sad or disappointed you feel the need to carry a gun in your regular life just to feel safe and secure in your society? I've lived ~20 years in Canad and ~20 in Australia. My sister has lived ~20 in Australia and ~20 in the UK. The idea we would ever, ever feel the need to carry a gun is preposterous. The number of handguns either of us has seen in those countries in our life is exactly zero. I've spent time in 55 countries around the world, including almost all of Latin America and Africa, and I have never once felt the need for a firearm. The idea of living in a place where I feel the need to carry a lethal weapon is extremely hard to grasp. It's hard for me to read your comment and not think something is very wrong with a society when regular, peaceful and intelligent citizens feel the need to carry a firearm. FWIW, I own a hunting rifle here in Canada (.30/06, Remmington 700) and I enjoy hunting very much.

lmilcin 6y ago
My thoughts exactly. People say they need guns for defense. I can empathize with this, but I also understand that is just because there are other stupid people around carrying guns. There would not be a problem if nobody around had a gun. In countries like that there are outlets for people to be able to shoot guns. In Poland you can go to a shooting range and you can also get a permit for hunting or sport rifle. In either case the use of the gun is restricted so that general population doesn't have to worry about being around people with guns. I never felt a need to have a gun, ever. You don't have to worry about stupid entitled people either, they are harmless.
- GiorgioG 6y ago
  > I also understand that is just because there are other stupid people around carrying guns. Your understanding is incorrect. I don't carry a gun because I fear others have guns at all. You all seem to think that a gun is the only way that someone can hurt you. When I was a younger man I was the victim of an attempted car-jacking. Fortunately quick thinking got me out of that situation. Regardless of whether this individual attempting to steal my car with me in it had a gun or not, he was physically larger than me and would have caused me harm (I did not grow up learning to fight.) The idea of other people having guns is not the primary reason I carry. I'm happy for you that you never felt the need to carry a gun. I'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have one. I respect your opinion, but the fact is we all have different, valid life experiences that affect our behavior and actions. I feel safe not carrying (I don't live in a warzone,) but I feel much safer carrying when and where I can lawfully do so.
GiorgioG 6y ago
> FWIW, I own a hunting rifle here in Canada (.30/06, Remmington 700) and I enjoy hunting very much. It's funny, I think hunting is pretty inhumane (though I understand the need to manage the population, etc.) I'm not an advocate for making it illegal, it's just not for me. That's how I feel how guns should be looked at. If you don't want to own/carry a gun, that's your business - but don't try to stop me from doing so based on your preferences/opinions. Do guns wind up getting used to hurt people illegally - certainly. So do a lot of other things (alcohol, knives, vehicles, etc.) We don't ban them, we simply regulate them. We already have plenty of gun laws, and most people (99.999%) are law-abiding citizens.
- grecy 6y ago
  I understand what you're saying, but you didn't answer my question. Are you disappointed or sad that you should need/want to carry a gun in your daily life? Are you happy your kids will live like that? I just... I just, feel like that's a really sad state of affairs, and it would be something I'd much rather work to get away from. I see it like having to build shelters for the homeless, or having safe injecting rooms - they're good stop-gap measures and help society, but the goal is to fix the problem so they aren't needed long-long term.

lmilcin 6y ago

The reality is that significant part of population is stupid. Effective gun control as it is implemented in many countries aims to exclude stupid people from owning guns as much as possible by requiring that you have real, strong, certified need to carry a gun. People who own a gun in such countries know exactly why they own a gun. In any of those countries you would very unlikely be allowed a permit. For example, here in Poland there are only two reasons for getting firearms permit: constant, hightened danger to your own life or when your actual job is to protect other people. In both cases the reason must be proven and documented.