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I reckon 10 years earlier would have been the sweet spot of terrible - most of the world still on rubbish internet. Hardly any online shopping capacity from sup

I reckon 10 years earlier would have been the sweet spot of terrible - most of the world still on rubbish internet. Hardly any online shopping capacity from supermarkets. Zoom non-existent.

onepointsixC 6y ago
Is zoom really that much better than Skype circa 2010? I don't use it but there were video conferencing options open back.
- iso1210 6y ago
  Yes. Video conferencing now is seemless, it wasn't back in 2010.
- jonplackett 6y ago
  Yeah it’s MUCH better. Skype even now still basically sucks. Zoom made it simple enough for literally anyone to use (and yeah I know at the expense of some security)
anoncake 6y ago
The pandemic would likely be over by now because we did not have the means to prolong it.
- jonplackett 6y ago
  Downside - millions upon millions would be dead. With no possibility to socially distance hospitals would have been overwhelmed with infected people in months. That would mean that instead of the 1% death rate we see now, anyone who needed ICU or oxygen to survive would then die, which I think is about 5X more, and it would include many younger people who just needed a little help but got none. Also anyone who needed the hospital for anything else is out of luck. Got hit by a car? Heart attack? Sorry, it’s full. With that number of dead and infected a lot of basic services would probably fail too just from lack of people. In short, it might be over quicker, but it would be A LOT more terrible.
  - anoncake 6y ago
    Come on. 5% is an absurdly pessimistic and long debunked number. It wasn't even that bad in the beginning when hospitals killed almost as many people as they saved. Young people rarely get hospitalized so that part is nonsense too. Even if we lost 5% that doesn't even come close to disrupting society to the extent we inflicted on ourselves. No, it would not be more terrible by now – it would be over.
nixass 6y ago
Upside - not so many knuckle draggers having access to cheap phones, unlimited internet and limited intellect. All these "anti" movements and everyones-aunt-with-opinion would not exist, which would be better for everyone's mental health.

I reckon 10 years earlier would have been the sweet spot of terrible - most of the world still on rubbish internet. Hardly any online shopping capacity from supermarkets. Zoom non-existent.

onepointsixC 6y ago

Is zoom really that much better than Skype circa 2010? I don't use it but there were video conferencing options open back.

iso1210 6y ago
Yes. Video conferencing now is seemless, it wasn't back in 2010.
jonplackett 6y ago
Yeah it’s MUCH better. Skype even now still basically sucks. Zoom made it simple enough for literally anyone to use (and yeah I know at the expense of some security)

anoncake 6y ago

The pandemic would likely be over by now because we did not have the means to prolong it.

jonplackett 6y ago
Downside - millions upon millions would be dead. With no possibility to socially distance hospitals would have been overwhelmed with infected people in months. That would mean that instead of the 1% death rate we see now, anyone who needed ICU or oxygen to survive would then die, which I think is about 5X more, and it would include many younger people who just needed a little help but got none. Also anyone who needed the hospital for anything else is out of luck. Got hit by a car? Heart attack? Sorry, it’s full. With that number of dead and infected a lot of basic services would probably fail too just from lack of people. In short, it might be over quicker, but it would be A LOT more terrible.
- anoncake 6y ago
  Come on. 5% is an absurdly pessimistic and long debunked number. It wasn't even that bad in the beginning when hospitals killed almost as many people as they saved. Young people rarely get hospitalized so that part is nonsense too. Even if we lost 5% that doesn't even come close to disrupting society to the extent we inflicted on ourselves. No, it would not be more terrible by now – it would be over.

nixass 6y ago

Upside - not so many knuckle draggers having access to cheap phones, unlimited internet and limited intellect. All these "anti" movements and everyones-aunt-with-opinion would not exist, which would be better for everyone's mental health.