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> Gun regulation is mostly to stop stupid people act stupidly with a gun they already lawfully own If you make guns easier to get, you end up with more of thes

> Gun regulation is mostly to stop stupid people act stupidly with a gun they already lawfully own If you make guns easier to get, you end up with more of these cases. You also end up making it easier for people to unlawfully get access to a gun. In Australia you have to be a reasonably "hard" criminal to get access to a gun illegally. There just aren't that many guns around since the Port Arthur massacre, and gun deaths have decreased as you'd naturally expect.

lmilcin 6y ago
Let me explain. I live in Poland. Do you know how many guns I saw in my life that did not belong to a uniformed or undercover Police officer, soldier guarding an embassy or security guard guarding taking money to or from ATM? Exactly zero. And I am 38. Here in Poland it is quite difficult to get a gun. Basically, you need exceptional circumstances to be allowed to own one and even then you are not allowed to just carry it around. There are people who own a gun but most of them, from what I understand, will not take it anywhere. Do people get beaten or stabbed here like in US? Sure. There's just no guns involved even for the ones that do own gun legally, because they would prefer to get beaten than bring out a gun. Because of gun regulation, people learned to not consider guns to be a solution to their problems. Maybe if they fear their house might get robbed rather than buy a gun they will put bars on their windows and better security system. And I strongly feel that this also affects you if you own a gun, in that it causes you to think more critically rather than just whip out a gun when you think a little bit threatened.
- grecy 6y ago
  This excellently describes the situation in essentially every developed country (except one, of course). Less guns and less gun culture means less gun deaths. It's not rocket science.
  - lmilcin 6y ago
    Not sure why you are getting downvoted when it is a proven fact with hard data to back it. I sometimes wish people should be required to post when downvoting to explain their point. The data also shows that for every person that has saved themselves or some other person there are many, many people that died due to an accident or a conflict escalating due to a gun present.
- GiorgioG 6y ago
  > And I strongly feel that this also affects you if you own a gun, in that it causes you to think more critically rather than just whip out a gun when you think a little bit threatened. It’s not legal in the US to “whip out a gun” if you feel a little threatened. You must literally fear for your life for you to use deadly force.
  - lmilcin 6y ago
    Took some time to find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0iN5J-9mk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0iN5J-9mk Here you have a guy who felt a little threatened and shot another person for it claiming self defence, with a legal gun. In this case the ability to own a gun and parade with it changed how the guy was thinking about possible conflict and risks. That's largely because guns are so commonplace in US and not really treated with enough respect and thought for consequences.
    - GiorgioG 6y ago
      This had nothing to do with gun control however. The stand your ground rules (different in each state) pertain to use of deadly force (using any kind of weapon, including your fists.) Again you can not brandish (“parade”) a gun without a lawful reason. I have a concealed carry permit in a state that allows open carry. I have no interest in drawing attention to myself. Nor would I draw my weapon without real fear for my life. Beyond the fact that I would hurt someone, which I am not interested in doing if there’s a viable alternative, the costs of defending yourself (lawyers, probably losing my job, etc) after a shooting would bankrupt most people. For me, the idea of using a gun is as the last line of defense.
      - grecy 6y ago
        >I have a concealed carry permit in a state that allows open carry.... Nor would I draw my weapon without real fear for my life Does it make you sad or disappointed you feel the need to carry a gun in your regular life just to feel safe and secure in your society? I've lived ~20 years in Canad and ~20 in Australia. My sister has lived ~20 in Australia and ~20 in the UK. The idea we would ever, ever feel the need to carry a gun is preposterous. The number of handguns either of us has seen in those countries in our life is exactly zero. I've spent time in 55 countries around the world, including almost all of Latin America and Africa, and I have never once felt the need for a firearm. The idea of living in a place where I feel the need to carry a lethal weapon is extremely hard to grasp. It's hard for me to read your comment and not think something is very wrong with a society when regular, peaceful and intelligent citizens feel the need to carry a firearm. FWIW, I own a hunting rifle here in Canada (.30/06, Remmington 700) and I enjoy hunting very much.

lmilcin 6y ago

Let me explain. I live in Poland. Do you know how many guns I saw in my life that did not belong to a uniformed or undercover Police officer, soldier guarding an embassy or security guard guarding taking money to or from ATM? Exactly zero. And I am 38. Here in Poland it is quite difficult to get a gun. Basically, you need exceptional circumstances to be allowed to own one and even then you are not allowed to just carry it around. There are people who own a gun but most of them, from what I understand, will not take it anywhere. Do people get beaten or stabbed here like in US? Sure. There's just no guns involved even for the ones that do own gun legally, because they would prefer to get beaten than bring out a gun. Because of gun regulation, people learned to not consider guns to be a solution to their problems. Maybe if they fear their house might get robbed rather than buy a gun they will put bars on their windows and better security system. And I strongly feel that this also affects you if you own a gun, in that it causes you to think more critically rather than just whip out a gun when you think a little bit threatened.

grecy 6y ago
This excellently describes the situation in essentially every developed country (except one, of course). Less guns and less gun culture means less gun deaths. It's not rocket science.
- lmilcin 6y ago
  Not sure why you are getting downvoted when it is a proven fact with hard data to back it. I sometimes wish people should be required to post when downvoting to explain their point. The data also shows that for every person that has saved themselves or some other person there are many, many people that died due to an accident or a conflict escalating due to a gun present.
GiorgioG 6y ago
> And I strongly feel that this also affects you if you own a gun, in that it causes you to think more critically rather than just whip out a gun when you think a little bit threatened. It’s not legal in the US to “whip out a gun” if you feel a little threatened. You must literally fear for your life for you to use deadly force.
- lmilcin 6y ago
  Took some time to find it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0iN5J-9mk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0iN5J-9mk Here you have a guy who felt a little threatened and shot another person for it claiming self defence, with a legal gun. In this case the ability to own a gun and parade with it changed how the guy was thinking about possible conflict and risks. That's largely because guns are so commonplace in US and not really treated with enough respect and thought for consequences.
  - GiorgioG 6y ago
    This had nothing to do with gun control however. The stand your ground rules (different in each state) pertain to use of deadly force (using any kind of weapon, including your fists.) Again you can not brandish (“parade”) a gun without a lawful reason. I have a concealed carry permit in a state that allows open carry. I have no interest in drawing attention to myself. Nor would I draw my weapon without real fear for my life. Beyond the fact that I would hurt someone, which I am not interested in doing if there’s a viable alternative, the costs of defending yourself (lawyers, probably losing my job, etc) after a shooting would bankrupt most people. For me, the idea of using a gun is as the last line of defense.
    - grecy 6y ago
      >I have a concealed carry permit in a state that allows open carry.... Nor would I draw my weapon without real fear for my life Does it make you sad or disappointed you feel the need to carry a gun in your regular life just to feel safe and secure in your society? I've lived ~20 years in Canad and ~20 in Australia. My sister has lived ~20 in Australia and ~20 in the UK. The idea we would ever, ever feel the need to carry a gun is preposterous. The number of handguns either of us has seen in those countries in our life is exactly zero. I've spent time in 55 countries around the world, including almost all of Latin America and Africa, and I have never once felt the need for a firearm. The idea of living in a place where I feel the need to carry a lethal weapon is extremely hard to grasp. It's hard for me to read your comment and not think something is very wrong with a society when regular, peaceful and intelligent citizens feel the need to carry a firearm. FWIW, I own a hunting rifle here in Canada (.30/06, Remmington 700) and I enjoy hunting very much.