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This is a fun project. Even without seeing the original script next to it, it's fun to try to reverse engineer what each text box is meant to mean. Surprisingly
by cehrlich 6y ago
This is a fun project. Even without seeing the original script next to it, it's fun to try to reverse engineer what each text box is meant to mean. Surprisingly enough considering how supposedly sophisticated the machine translation is, a lot of these are the types of basic mistakes that you would expect from a beginner or a really bad computer translation.
I suspect they translated each text box separately, instead of joining multiple text boxes into one string - because I frequently get much better translations than this from deepl. Japanese is a language that is often difficult to understand without context, so the smaller the chunks of texts are the worse a computer will do.
Stuff like:
"Your brother is probably a man. Probably an adult." is just a bad translation of でしょう.
"Put the bomb in the ring in his hand" The second part is an overly literal translation of 手に入る, and the ring was probably called 爆弾の指輪 or something
”Very!" is probably just 全く
etc
These are things any intermediate learner would know, and yet AI models still struggle with them.
- edflsafoiewq 6y agoThe original text is also completely in kana. This confuses AI models that mostly understand normal text with kanji. They don't really "know" that 手に入る and てにはいる are the same thing. Eg, with DeepL: ダークエルフなら ほくとうのしまの どうくつに すんでるよ！ => If you're a Dark Elf, you'll find me in the caves of the Far East! ダークエルフなら北東の島の洞窟に住んでるよ！ => If you're a Dark Elf, you live in a cave on the northeast island! DeepL also seems to be quite sensitive to the placement of spaces.
- adrianmsmith 6y agoSo that those of us who don't speak Japanese can get a feel for what you're saying - what do the original Japanese texts mean (i.e. could you give us a better translation)?
- Timpy 6y agoでしょう roughly means "don't you agree" or "I agree", I didn't play the FF games so I don't have enough context to translate its original meaning here. 手に入る literally translates to "put into hand", but it means "acquire" in the context of opening a chest and finding a potion. Japanese games say "potion put into hand" and English translations say "You received a potion". 全く literally means "truly" or "very" but a lot of the time people use to mean "seriously" in a sarcastic sense. Like, "seriously!?" or "jeeze!". A beginner would think "very" but somebody with experience would know they're just complaining in a way that doesn't elicit* a response.
- alisonkisk 6y ago(elicit, not illicit)
- shawxe 6y agore: でしょう, without seeing the original Japanese, my guess is that a more atural English translation for your first example would be "Your brother is supposed to be a man, right? He's supposed to be an adult, right?" or something more along those lines.
- djur 6y agoMato's translation comparison doesn't cover this line, so I can't easily link to the full context, but this is a young girl (Rydia) scolding an older man (Edward/Gilbert) for being too overcome with grief to take action. In the original US translation, the dialogue is "Crybaby! You are a man! You are a grown-up! You are not the only one who has lost loved ones!" The more literal translation would be "Aren't you a man?" but the meaning is the same. "Brother" seems to be coming into it because Rydia is addressing Edward as "o-nii-chan". Pretty classic example of something that you couldn't translate accurately without knowing who the characters are.
- Timpy 6y ago"o-nii-chan" is a great example of translation difficulty because it's very natural in Japanese to refer to your older brother as "o-nii-chan" and it sounds like bad exposition writing in English.
- djur 6y agoAnd in this case it's just being used to address an older but not elderly man, in a way that's totally normal in Japanese but would be utterly bizarre in English.
- ekianjo 6y agoでしょう has other meanings in more formal use as well so your answer is incomplete
- alisonkisk 6y agoIf you read the "spoony bard" lore you'll find the same criticisms leveled at the official human translation.