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looting isn't the same as storming the capitol.

by hn_asker 6y ago

numpad0 6y ago
Those are both forms of terrorisms
- kayyay 6y ago
  No, they are not.
  - nprateem 6y ago
    Tell that to the victims of looting
    - trianglem 6y ago
      BLM has genuine grievances against police brutality. This was terrorism wholly brought on by utter lies of a fraudulent election.
      - notmenope 6y ago
        So if an investigation into George Floyd or Breonna Taylor's deaths found that there was no evidence of wrongdoing, the BLM protestors should just go home?
        trianglem 6y ago
        Depends, the justice system has a dismal track record when it comes to racial justice.
        notmenope 6y ago
        Sure, but we should trust investigations into election fraud? It just doesn't seem like any more trustworthy of a process to me.
      - numpad0 6y ago
        Terrorism with ideology and genuine compassion is pure form of terrorism Just like communist “liberation” invasion is pure invasion
      - throwaway316943 6y ago
        Terrorism is not justifiable.
        trianglem 6y ago
        Exactly, which is why all the capitol terrorists should be locked up for a long time.
        throwaway316943 6y ago
        The specific people that broke in should be charged with breaking and entering. The people that entered without permission should be charged with trespassing. The people that fought with the police should be charged with assault. I don’t think there’s a case for a terrorism charge.
sydd 6y ago
but still falls under Twitter's "Glorification of Violence policy"
- jjeaff 6y ago
  Looting is stealing. Is stealing violence?
  - burlesonK 6y ago
    It is when you break windows or otherwise damage property to enable the theft.
  - throwaway316943 6y ago
    More than speech is.
  - EVdotIO 6y ago
    Yes, and people were violently killed.
  - bitcurious 6y ago
    Looting is stealing the same way that storming the capitol is trespassing.
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neilsense 6y ago
instead of ordering from Amazon or UberEats all the time, why don't you go speak to an owner of a store downtown and say this to them. It's disgusting the absolute privileged bubble so many on HN live in.
travis_brooks 6y ago
I live in Portland OR a few blocks from where there was a months long siege against federal and police buildings. Yes there was millions of dollars worth of damage done here by looting but thats barely scratching the surface of what happened. The siege of the federal courthouse and central police station involved crazy violent actions on a daily basis, but there was no national outcry to dox and arrest the people responsible for that. People (not "nazis", some not republican/conservative) within blocks of my home have been murdered, beaten, businesses shot up (like the black owned sandwich shop across the street from my apartment because the owner "supported the police") yet there was no deplatforming for the leftist extremists responsible for this. I speak from what I saw right in front of me, what I heard from my living room and bedroom day after day for months, I'm sure there are similar stories from all over the country. Maybe I'm biased by personal experience but it just seems like if angry white kids smash stuff up and say shout some leftist slogans while they're doing it they get a pass but if the angry white kids shout "Trump 2020, something something" while they're doing the same stuff suddenly its sedition and terrorism.
- wbsss4412 6y ago
  You have got to be kidding. It’s not “suddenly” sedition and terrorism. People went into the Capitol with the stated goal of overturning an election, effectively overthrowing the government. That is sedition! Seriously, I sympathize with what you’ve gone through. I’m not trying to minimize the damage that was done in downtown Portland, but it’s not even close to the same thing.
  - burlesonK 6y ago
    Overturning an election is not effectively overthrowing the government, and it's certainly not sedition. I also think most people who entered the Capitol building did so because they were just following the people in front of them; not conciously entering to voice their oppinions to the Senate and House.
    - alsetmusic 6y ago
      > not conciously entering People traveled from out of state. There was little that wasn’t deliberate about this.
atoav 6y ago
On top of that one is the reaction to real, both ongoing and centuries old injustices and the other is quite frankly an attempted coup. Protesting that the other guy won is one thing. Storming the capitol to force your guy in while the votes are counted is a completely different thing. If you are telling yourself otherwise you might wanna do a reality check. E.g. imagine the whole thing in flipped roles (if you have enough fantasy). Republicans would be completely outraged over all the actions they did in the past 4 years if it was the other team who did them. I am not from the US and think the whole two party thing is silly anyways, but the shere cognitive distortion going on there hurts. Quite frankly it is below any HN user to uncritically wave a team flag that way, especially when it means you become blind to reality by doing so. The US Dems would be a center-right party in most european nations and last time I checked we weren't the unfree ("socialist!") doomscape Republicans like to paint it as. In fact I'd rather live under the EU/German laws than under whatever the US system has become and I am not a nationalist by any stretch (I am not even German). Our system just leads to calmer streets, friendlier faces, less fear and stress overall (except for the tax system, I could really strangle the people who came up with that — not for the amount of taxes, but for the complexity of the system). If presented with lies and reality, choose reality and try to correct for your own biases. Thats what good people do.

looting isn't the same as storming the capitol.

numpad0 6y ago

Those are both forms of terrorisms

kayyay 6y ago
No, they are not.
- nprateem 6y ago
  Tell that to the victims of looting
  - trianglem 6y ago
    BLM has genuine grievances against police brutality. This was terrorism wholly brought on by utter lies of a fraudulent election.
    - notmenope 6y ago
      So if an investigation into George Floyd or Breonna Taylor's deaths found that there was no evidence of wrongdoing, the BLM protestors should just go home?
      - trianglem 6y ago
        Depends, the justice system has a dismal track record when it comes to racial justice.
        notmenope 6y ago
        Sure, but we should trust investigations into election fraud? It just doesn't seem like any more trustworthy of a process to me.
    - numpad0 6y ago
      Terrorism with ideology and genuine compassion is pure form of terrorism Just like communist “liberation” invasion is pure invasion
    - throwaway316943 6y ago
      Terrorism is not justifiable.
      - trianglem 6y ago
        Exactly, which is why all the capitol terrorists should be locked up for a long time.
        throwaway316943 6y ago
        The specific people that broke in should be charged with breaking and entering. The people that entered without permission should be charged with trespassing. The people that fought with the police should be charged with assault. I don’t think there’s a case for a terrorism charge.

sydd 6y ago

but still falls under Twitter's "Glorification of Violence policy"

jjeaff 6y ago
Looting is stealing. Is stealing violence?
- burlesonK 6y ago
  It is when you break windows or otherwise damage property to enable the theft.
- throwaway316943 6y ago
  More than speech is.
- EVdotIO 6y ago
  Yes, and people were violently killed.
- bitcurious 6y ago
  Looting is stealing the same way that storming the capitol is trespassing.

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neilsense 6y ago

instead of ordering from Amazon or UberEats all the time, why don't you go speak to an owner of a store downtown and say this to them. It's disgusting the absolute privileged bubble so many on HN live in.

travis_brooks 6y ago

I live in Portland OR a few blocks from where there was a months long siege against federal and police buildings. Yes there was millions of dollars worth of damage done here by looting but thats barely scratching the surface of what happened. The siege of the federal courthouse and central police station involved crazy violent actions on a daily basis, but there was no national outcry to dox and arrest the people responsible for that. People (not "nazis", some not republican/conservative) within blocks of my home have been murdered, beaten, businesses shot up (like the black owned sandwich shop across the street from my apartment because the owner "supported the police") yet there was no deplatforming for the leftist extremists responsible for this. I speak from what I saw right in front of me, what I heard from my living room and bedroom day after day for months, I'm sure there are similar stories from all over the country. Maybe I'm biased by personal experience but it just seems like if angry white kids smash stuff up and say shout some leftist slogans while they're doing it they get a pass but if the angry white kids shout "Trump 2020, something something" while they're doing the same stuff suddenly its sedition and terrorism.

wbsss4412 6y ago
You have got to be kidding. It’s not “suddenly” sedition and terrorism. People went into the Capitol with the stated goal of overturning an election, effectively overthrowing the government. That is sedition! Seriously, I sympathize with what you’ve gone through. I’m not trying to minimize the damage that was done in downtown Portland, but it’s not even close to the same thing.
- burlesonK 6y ago
  Overturning an election is not effectively overthrowing the government, and it's certainly not sedition. I also think most people who entered the Capitol building did so because they were just following the people in front of them; not conciously entering to voice their oppinions to the Senate and House.
  - alsetmusic 6y ago
    > not conciously entering People traveled from out of state. There was little that wasn’t deliberate about this.

atoav 6y ago

On top of that one is the reaction to real, both ongoing and centuries old injustices and the other is quite frankly an attempted coup. Protesting that the other guy won is one thing. Storming the capitol to force your guy in while the votes are counted is a completely different thing. If you are telling yourself otherwise you might wanna do a reality check. E.g. imagine the whole thing in flipped roles (if you have enough fantasy). Republicans would be completely outraged over all the actions they did in the past 4 years if it was the other team who did them. I am not from the US and think the whole two party thing is silly anyways, but the shere cognitive distortion going on there hurts. Quite frankly it is below any HN user to uncritically wave a team flag that way, especially when it means you become blind to reality by doing so. The US Dems would be a center-right party in most european nations and last time I checked we weren't the unfree ("socialist!") doomscape Republicans like to paint it as. In fact I'd rather live under the EU/German laws than under whatever the US system has become and I am not a nationalist by any stretch (I am not even German). Our system just leads to calmer streets, friendlier faces, less fear and stress overall (except for the tax system, I could really strangle the people who came up with that — not for the amount of taxes, but for the complexity of the system). If presented with lies and reality, choose reality and try to correct for your own biases. Thats what good people do.