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This was happening during BLM endlessly last summer. Verified profiles calling for this kind of action, saying looting is part of the struggle and the right thi
by neilsense 6y ago
This was happening during BLM endlessly last summer. Verified profiles calling for this kind of action, saying looting is part of the struggle and the right thing to do, etc, etc.
Weirdly Twitter didn't seem to wake up when that was happening.
- hn_asker 6y agolooting isn't the same as storming the capitol.
- numpad0 6y agoThose are both forms of terrorisms
- kayyay 6y agoNo, they are not.
- nprateem 6y agoTell that to the victims of looting
- trianglem 6y agoBLM has genuine grievances against police brutality. This was terrorism wholly brought on by utter lies of a fraudulent election.
- notmenope 6y agoSo if an investigation into George Floyd or Breonna Taylor's deaths found that there was no evidence of wrongdoing, the BLM protestors should just go home?
- numpad0 6y agoTerrorism with ideology and genuine compassion is pure form of terrorism Just like communist “liberation” invasion is pure invasion
- throwaway316943 6y agoTerrorism is not justifiable.
- trianglem 6y agoExactly, which is why all the capitol terrorists should be locked up for a long time.
- throwaway316943 6y agoThe specific people that broke in should be charged with breaking and entering. The people that entered without permission should be charged with trespassing. The people that fought with the police should be charged with assault. I don’t think there’s a case for a terrorism charge.
- sydd 6y agobut still falls under Twitter's "Glorification of Violence policy"
- jjeaff 6y agoLooting is stealing. Is stealing violence?
- burlesonK 6y agoIt is when you break windows or otherwise damage property to enable the theft.
- throwaway316943 6y agoMore than speech is.
- EVdotIO 6y agoYes, and people were violently killed.
- bitcurious 6y agoLooting is stealing the same way that storming the capitol is trespassing.
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- neilsense 6y agoinstead of ordering from Amazon or UberEats all the time, why don't you go speak to an owner of a store downtown and say this to them. It's disgusting the absolute privileged bubble so many on HN live in.
- travis_brooks 6y agoI live in Portland OR a few blocks from where there was a months long siege against federal and police buildings. Yes there was millions of dollars worth of damage done here by looting but thats barely scratching the surface of what happened. The siege of the federal courthouse and central police station involved crazy violent actions on a daily basis, but there was no national outcry to dox and arrest the people responsible for that. People (not "nazis", some not republican/conservative) within blocks of my home have been murdered, beaten, businesses shot up (like the black owned sandwich shop across the street from my apartment because the owner "supported the police") yet there was no deplatforming for the leftist extremists responsible for this. I speak from what I saw right in front of me, what I heard from my living room and bedroom day after day for months, I'm sure there are similar stories from all over the country. Maybe I'm biased by personal experience but it just seems like if angry white kids smash stuff up and say shout some leftist slogans while they're doing it they get a pass but if the angry white kids shout "Trump 2020, something something" while they're doing the same stuff suddenly its sedition and terrorism.
- wbsss4412 6y agoYou have got to be kidding. It’s not “suddenly” sedition and terrorism. People went into the Capitol with the stated goal of overturning an election, effectively overthrowing the government. That is sedition! Seriously, I sympathize with what you’ve gone through. I’m not trying to minimize the damage that was done in downtown Portland, but it’s not even close to the same thing.
- burlesonK 6y agoOverturning an election is not effectively overthrowing the government, and it's certainly not sedition. I also think most people who entered the Capitol building did so because they were just following the people in front of them; not conciously entering to voice their oppinions to the Senate and House.
- alsetmusic 6y ago> not conciously entering People traveled from out of state. There was little that wasn’t deliberate about this.
- atoav 6y agoOn top of that one is the reaction to real, both ongoing and centuries old injustices and the other is quite frankly an attempted coup. Protesting that the other guy won is one thing. Storming the capitol to force your guy in while the votes are counted is a completely different thing. If you are telling yourself otherwise you might wanna do a reality check. E.g. imagine the whole thing in flipped roles (if you have enough fantasy). Republicans would be completely outraged over all the actions they did in the past 4 years if it was the other team who did them. I am not from the US and think the whole two party thing is silly anyways, but the shere cognitive distortion going on there hurts. Quite frankly it is below any HN user to uncritically wave a team flag that way, especially when it means you become blind to reality by doing so. The US Dems would be a center-right party in most european nations and last time I checked we weren't the unfree ("socialist!") doomscape Republicans like to paint it as. In fact I'd rather live under the EU/German laws than under whatever the US system has become and I am not a nationalist by any stretch (I am not even German). Our system just leads to calmer streets, friendlier faces, less fear and stress overall (except for the tax system, I could really strangle the people who came up with that — not for the amount of taxes, but for the complexity of the system). If presented with lies and reality, choose reality and try to correct for your own biases. Thats what good people do.
- trianglem 6y agoLooting is reasonably acceptable especially in light of genuine BLM grievances with police brutality. This was storming of the capitol with highly malicious intent (pipebombs, zipties, guns) based on utter lies. You’re arguing in bad faith.
- neilsense 6y agoI am absolutely not. Looting does nothing to the Police or the authorities and everything to businesses including those who are barely keeping going after the lockdowns. Twitter gave a platform to those who had taken over six blocks of a city (CHAZ) without a single ban. Twitter consistently allows all out racism towards white and asian people from verified profiles without a single ban. Twitter allows the organization of mobs for the left without a single ban. I think you are arguing in bad faith.
- trianglem 6y agoI disagree, Trump is a fascist and all fascists are criminals. Starving fascism of air is the best way to keep it in check. In most cases racial justice gets a pass especially if it’s a properly warranted as in the US. All this right wing whataboutism to justify a racist and a fascist. You should be ashamed.
- neilsense 6y agoDo you say the same when someone says all white people are racists on Twitter? Should we starve them of Oxygen too? Are you reporting those tweets?
- notmenope 6y agoI think they reported that 6 weapons were seized from the hundreds of thousands of protestors there. They weren't storming the Capitol with highly malicious intent. I think you may also be arguing in bad faith. Additionally, an unarmed person was shot. She should've just followed orders, right?
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- Entalpi 6y agoAh, yes. Looting and disrupting the process of democracy seems on the same level. No? Oh.
- lstamour 6y agoDoes Twitter have enough resources to police all verified profiles? It would seem to me Twitter has an App Store problem when it comes to inconsistent enforcement of rules?
- trianglem 6y agoRacist justice always gets a pass when compared to fascist nonsense based on lies. For the sheer scale of the BLM protests they were overwhelmingly peaceful.