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Can confirm. Around 2000 - 2001, on RedHat 6 or 7.something Sun's 1.2 JVM was basically unusable: slow and extremely buggy. IBM's JVM (HotJava? - it's all so lo

Can confirm. Around 2000 - 2001, on RedHat 6 or 7.something Sun's 1.2 JVM was basically unusable: slow and extremely buggy. IBM's JVM (HotJava? - it's all so long ago I can't remember what it was called) was much better: it was a bit faster and it didn't fall over for a pasttime. The 1.3 releases were better but still not much to shout about. I can't remember whether the 1.3 Sun JVMs were good enough to allow us to run our software with them at the time. (Topically, at around this time, we were targeting Solaris 6.x and 7.x based systems.)

beagle3 6y ago
To add: this is Red Hat Linux 6 or 7, not Red Hat Enterprise Linux - I fondly remember RHL 7.3 in 2002 as the last RedHat I liked; updates were still through RHN or Red Carpet (don’t remember if yum was already used). RHEL, Fedora etc arrived later.
- bartread 6y ago
  Yes, exactly, when RedHat was still RedHat as it were: I haven't used either Fedora or RHEL since that division took place. Tbh that's more about circumstance than coming at it with any particular axe to grind but, these days, I can't see much of a reason to choose either of them over Ubuntu. Not for the projects I'm involved with, anyway.
_old_dude_ 6y ago
Java on Linux was interpreted until 1.3.1/1.4 when the VM, named ExactVM, was replaced by HotSpot which includes a JIT. At that time, I remember deciding to prototype a B2B store in Java and then rewrite it in C++ when i will know what i was doing. I never rewrite that soft because Java becomes fast enough overnight. In a sense, SUN kill itself with Java.
- icedchai 6y ago
  Makes sense. Sun peaked during the dot-com boom. I worked at several different startups, both full time and as side gigs, and they all had Suns. I remember Enterprise 3500's and later 250 and 450's being popular around that time. After the crash, you had to basically give that stuff away. I knew a guy who had 10 Sun boxes (all less than 5 years old) at home because a local company wrote them off. I had a couple of low end Ultras (an Ultra 2 and Ultra 10) but sold one of them off. The Ultra 2 I got used for pennies on the dollar at an auction. I think it was like $200 for what was a $15K machine years earlier. Sun was so far ahead of it time. Solaris was a solid OS, but once Linux became "good enough", somewhere in the '99 to '03 timeframe, depending on industry, it was over for them.

beagle3 6y ago

To add: this is Red Hat Linux 6 or 7, not Red Hat Enterprise Linux - I fondly remember RHL 7.3 in 2002 as the last RedHat I liked; updates were still through RHN or Red Carpet (don’t remember if yum was already used). RHEL, Fedora etc arrived later.

bartread 6y ago
Yes, exactly, when RedHat was still RedHat as it were: I haven't used either Fedora or RHEL since that division took place. Tbh that's more about circumstance than coming at it with any particular axe to grind but, these days, I can't see much of a reason to choose either of them over Ubuntu. Not for the projects I'm involved with, anyway.

_old_dude_ 6y ago

Java on Linux was interpreted until 1.3.1/1.4 when the VM, named ExactVM, was replaced by HotSpot which includes a JIT. At that time, I remember deciding to prototype a B2B store in Java and then rewrite it in C++ when i will know what i was doing. I never rewrite that soft because Java becomes fast enough overnight. In a sense, SUN kill itself with Java.

icedchai 6y ago
Makes sense. Sun peaked during the dot-com boom. I worked at several different startups, both full time and as side gigs, and they all had Suns. I remember Enterprise 3500's and later 250 and 450's being popular around that time. After the crash, you had to basically give that stuff away. I knew a guy who had 10 Sun boxes (all less than 5 years old) at home because a local company wrote them off. I had a couple of low end Ultras (an Ultra 2 and Ultra 10) but sold one of them off. The Ultra 2 I got used for pennies on the dollar at an auction. I think it was like $200 for what was a $15K machine years earlier. Sun was so far ahead of it time. Solaris was a solid OS, but once Linux became "good enough", somewhere in the '99 to '03 timeframe, depending on industry, it was over for them.