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Why would it be weird? Is there an alternate perspective where the nation's capitol wasn't ransacked by a hostile mob? What other interpretations are you imagi

Why would it be weird? Is there an alternate perspective where the nation's capitol wasn't ransacked by a hostile mob? What other interpretations are you imagining would be reported?

mistermann 6y ago
I guess, maybe it isn't that weird, maybe that's just how people are. There is very little diversity of thought or ability to see multiple dimensions in the general public, so why should I expect it in journalism (well, it's supposed to be their job, but that's obviously old fashioned). > Why would it be weird? Is there an alternate perspective where the nation's capitol wasn't ransacked by a hostile mob? What other interpretations are you imagining would be reported? This is an example of the above. You see this event as: "The nation's capitol was ransacked by a hostile mob." There is so much more to this story, so many obvious (to me) questions, and even other details in the coordinated narrative running in the media. Yet here you are, rhetorically representing that a "mob" "ransacking the capital" is all there is to it. And it's not just you, this sort of obvious(?) distortion of reality is becoming extremely common in culture war threads. I point it out regularly, and I've never had a single person touch the topic. Either they will reply but completely dodge the question as if they didn't see it, or they will say asking such questions are absurd or inappropriate, or simply not reply. To me, this mass change in the ~"collective consciousness" of the population is completely fascinating.
- debaserab2 6y ago
  I'm basing my statement on the fact that I see images and videos of the capitol building looted and vandalized by a group of like-minded people that appear to be outraged by the same thing. Does this activity not meet the threshold for ransacking? The source isn't some random headline, I watched in real time (as many others did) as people self-reported the vandalization as it happened on social media. So no, your notion that I am puppeting some kind of perspective fed to me by media is false. > There is so much more to this story, so many obvious (to me) questions OK, again, I'll ask: what's your alternate perspective that is so obvious to you? Can you answer this without deflecting in your response?
  - mistermann 6y ago
    Did the question ever occur to you why security was so lax? This highly visible debacle, who does it serve politically?
    - debaserab2 6y ago
      I can think of a number of ways it could have potentially served either side, actually, but I'm not really one to make the leap into conspiracy land until more facts are known. I'm still not sure how MSM should have changed their initial reporting of this story. It was a riot, plain and simple, and that's how most outlets reported it.
      - mistermann 6y ago
        It's scary that paying simple attention to the complexity of reality is now considered "leaping into conspiracy land", and that so many people are just fine with the media guessing at what is true, and asserting it as fact (which is then absorbed into people's minds, becoming the fabric of reality). > It was a riot, plain and simple, and that's how most outlets reported it. a) This is an incredibly simplistic description of what it really was (which is unknown in the entirety, and will remain that way). b) That is but one small portion of how they reported it. Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25777278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25777278
        debaserab2 6y ago
        > It's scary that paying simple attention to the complexity of reality is now considered "leaping into conspiracy land", and that so many people are just fine with the media guessing at what is true, and asserting it as fact (which is then absorbed into people's minds, becoming the fabric of reality). We're now 5 responses deep into this post and you still haven't put to words what it is you're suggesting that is so obvious to you. Please, please explain what is so obvious that us sheep seem to simply be missing.
        6y ago

Why would it be weird? Is there an alternate perspective where the nation's capitol wasn't ransacked by a hostile mob? What other interpretations are you imagining would be reported?

mistermann 6y ago

I guess, maybe it isn't that weird, maybe that's just how people are. There is very little diversity of thought or ability to see multiple dimensions in the general public, so why should I expect it in journalism (well, it's supposed to be their job, but that's obviously old fashioned). > Why would it be weird? Is there an alternate perspective where the nation's capitol wasn't ransacked by a hostile mob? What other interpretations are you imagining would be reported? This is an example of the above. You see this event as: "The nation's capitol was ransacked by a hostile mob." There is so much more to this story, so many obvious (to me) questions, and even other details in the coordinated narrative running in the media. Yet here you are, rhetorically representing that a "mob" "ransacking the capital" is all there is to it. And it's not just you, this sort of obvious(?) distortion of reality is becoming extremely common in culture war threads. I point it out regularly, and I've never had a single person touch the topic. Either they will reply but completely dodge the question as if they didn't see it, or they will say asking such questions are absurd or inappropriate, or simply not reply. To me, this mass change in the ~"collective consciousness" of the population is completely fascinating.

debaserab2 6y ago
I'm basing my statement on the fact that I see images and videos of the capitol building looted and vandalized by a group of like-minded people that appear to be outraged by the same thing. Does this activity not meet the threshold for ransacking? The source isn't some random headline, I watched in real time (as many others did) as people self-reported the vandalization as it happened on social media. So no, your notion that I am puppeting some kind of perspective fed to me by media is false. > There is so much more to this story, so many obvious (to me) questions OK, again, I'll ask: what's your alternate perspective that is so obvious to you? Can you answer this without deflecting in your response?
- mistermann 6y ago
  Did the question ever occur to you why security was so lax? This highly visible debacle, who does it serve politically?
  - debaserab2 6y ago
    I can think of a number of ways it could have potentially served either side, actually, but I'm not really one to make the leap into conspiracy land until more facts are known. I'm still not sure how MSM should have changed their initial reporting of this story. It was a riot, plain and simple, and that's how most outlets reported it.
    - mistermann 6y ago
      It's scary that paying simple attention to the complexity of reality is now considered "leaping into conspiracy land", and that so many people are just fine with the media guessing at what is true, and asserting it as fact (which is then absorbed into people's minds, becoming the fabric of reality). > It was a riot, plain and simple, and that's how most outlets reported it. a) This is an incredibly simplistic description of what it really was (which is unknown in the entirety, and will remain that way). b) That is but one small portion of how they reported it. Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25777278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25777278
      - debaserab2 6y ago
        > It's scary that paying simple attention to the complexity of reality is now considered "leaping into conspiracy land", and that so many people are just fine with the media guessing at what is true, and asserting it as fact (which is then absorbed into people's minds, becoming the fabric of reality). We're now 5 responses deep into this post and you still haven't put to words what it is you're suggesting that is so obvious to you. Please, please explain what is so obvious that us sheep seem to simply be missing.
        6y ago