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> We've spent a couple years now (right?) tacitly approving rioting as an acceptable response to feeling disenfranchised. We have? You mean the police response

> We've spent a couple years now (right?) tacitly approving rioting as an acceptable response to feeling disenfranchised. We have? You mean the police response, thousands of arrests, riot gear, national guard deployments across the US was "tacitly approving rioting?"

aksss 6y ago
I think so, yes. The stand down orders given to police departments in major metro areas, for example. The discretionary lack of prosecution for many of those arrested. The allowance for protestors and counter-protestors fighting to become spectacle/sport. The national media coverage I watched and listened to was largely sympathetic to the idea that understanding was needed in the face of the burning and looting rather than reactionary exercise of control to enforce order.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  You're just saying things but they aren't always true. Your argument relies on this bending of the truth. Here's an example of protestors still being prosecuted: https://triblive.com/local/allegheny-co-das-office-refiles-charges-against-pittsburgh-protesters/ https://triblive.com/local/allegheny-co-das-office-refiles-c... “Recently, at the direction of Mayor [Bill] Peduto, the Pittsburgh Police presented to my office tangible evidence for the refiling of these failure-to-disperse charges in the form of body camera footage, as well as surveillance video and more comprehensive investigations,” Zappala said in a statement on Friday. “The demonstrative evidence shows that the individuals being charged were repetitively directed by the police and given ample opportunity to disperse, often over an extended period, and failed to heed these notices.” Again, I disagree. There is no tacit acceptance. That is just false.
  - aksss 6y ago
    Portland: https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/10/multnomah-county-da-declines-to-prosecute-70-of-portland-protest-cases.html https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/10/multnomah-county-da-... Philly: https://www.radio.com/kywnewsradio/articles/news/charges-against-those-arrested-during-unrest-to-be-reviewed https://www.radio.com/kywnewsradio/articles/news/charges-aga... Just google the term by each major city or location where buildings were lit up. I’m certainly not claiming that prosecutions didn’t happen, but when a city declines to prosecute a great many arrests and national organizations are paying bail money for those arrested, along with police stand down orders, it sends a message.
    - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
      Your sources don't tell the whole story. A large majority of them are misdemeanors - and largely irrelevant and not worth the time. Most of the felonies would be tried with proper evidence. Just because a crime is reported doesn't mean a conviction can occur. This is basic stuff.
- foolinaround 6y ago
  In India, we have the concept of 'bandhs' or 'lockdowns' for a day or more to highlight certain issues. it is known as a fact that only those that are supported by the local government are deemed as successful, regardless of the validity or support for that cause. The police are just the pawns. We see the same for both BLM protests as well as the Capitol Hill protest.

aksss 6y ago

I think so, yes. The stand down orders given to police departments in major metro areas, for example. The discretionary lack of prosecution for many of those arrested. The allowance for protestors and counter-protestors fighting to become spectacle/sport. The national media coverage I watched and listened to was largely sympathetic to the idea that understanding was needed in the face of the burning and looting rather than reactionary exercise of control to enforce order.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
You're just saying things but they aren't always true. Your argument relies on this bending of the truth. Here's an example of protestors still being prosecuted: https://triblive.com/local/allegheny-co-das-office-refiles-charges-against-pittsburgh-protesters/ https://triblive.com/local/allegheny-co-das-office-refiles-c... “Recently, at the direction of Mayor [Bill] Peduto, the Pittsburgh Police presented to my office tangible evidence for the refiling of these failure-to-disperse charges in the form of body camera footage, as well as surveillance video and more comprehensive investigations,” Zappala said in a statement on Friday. “The demonstrative evidence shows that the individuals being charged were repetitively directed by the police and given ample opportunity to disperse, often over an extended period, and failed to heed these notices.” Again, I disagree. There is no tacit acceptance. That is just false.
- aksss 6y ago
  Portland: https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/10/multnomah-county-da-declines-to-prosecute-70-of-portland-protest-cases.html https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/10/multnomah-county-da-... Philly: https://www.radio.com/kywnewsradio/articles/news/charges-against-those-arrested-during-unrest-to-be-reviewed https://www.radio.com/kywnewsradio/articles/news/charges-aga... Just google the term by each major city or location where buildings were lit up. I’m certainly not claiming that prosecutions didn’t happen, but when a city declines to prosecute a great many arrests and national organizations are paying bail money for those arrested, along with police stand down orders, it sends a message.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    Your sources don't tell the whole story. A large majority of them are misdemeanors - and largely irrelevant and not worth the time. Most of the felonies would be tried with proper evidence. Just because a crime is reported doesn't mean a conviction can occur. This is basic stuff.
foolinaround 6y ago
In India, we have the concept of 'bandhs' or 'lockdowns' for a day or more to highlight certain issues. it is known as a fact that only those that are supported by the local government are deemed as successful, regardless of the validity or support for that cause. The police are just the pawns. We see the same for both BLM protests as well as the Capitol Hill protest.