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Please. You're pretending that your "rational" arguments are anything other than bad faith. It's difficult to take anything you say seriously when you can't a

Please. You're pretending that your "rational" arguments are anything other than bad faith. It's difficult to take anything you say seriously when you can't admit that the actions this week are not the same as the women's march. This is game that the rest of us are tired of being subjected to. The results of this style of thinking has just borne fruit thanks to the continued lying and obfuscating of the President and his gaggle of sycophants. The world is not confused about the dangerous actions that just transpired. You are purposefully and willingly beyond reach.

CyberRabbi 6y ago
The fact remains that 4 unarmed protestors were killed, at least 2 were directly killed by capitol police. There were no deaths directly caused by the protestors. Sicknick died from a blood clot. So when you say that the protestors caused a truly harmful action to take place, what exactly are you referring to?
- pqhwan 6y ago
  ...breaking and entering into congress?
  - pqhwan 6y ago
    Btw even Matt Gaetz can’t defend that one, which is why you see him hallucinating under command on national television about them being antifa.
    - CyberRabbi 6y ago
      Matt Gaetz is not an authority on what is true and his take on things is irrelevant in this thread.
      - pqhwan 6y ago
        Clearly not. But it’s a clear example of where the rest of this society is drawing the line.
        CyberRabbi 6y ago
        That argument is as valid as the argument that I should jump off a cliff because the rest of society is doing it.
        pqhwan 6y ago
        That argument is as valid as arguing that jumping off cliffs for no reason and admitting that breaking into congress is bad are equivalent.
        CyberRabbi 6y ago
        I never compared jumping off cliffs and breaking into Congress. The point is that your argument that we ought to condemn the actions of the trump supporters because the rest of society has done so is not a rational argument. I don’t think breaking into Congress is always bad. I support people’s right to peaceful protest. The Trump supporters by and large did not initiate violence, the violence was initiated on them by the police. If there was evidence that the trump supporters actually were initiating mass violence against people in the capitol that would be a different story, but with 4 unarmed protestors dead, they were the only ones who suffered casualties. That’s simply a fact. You’re drawing a line that any protest which occupies the capitol is immoral. I disagree with that but if you really believe that, was it immoral when the women’s March protesters took the capitol? https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20 https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20
        pqhwan 6y ago
        > your argument that we ought to condemn the actions of the trump supporters because the rest of society has done so is not a rational argument. I’m not arguing that at all, I’m just telling you what the rest of the society is doing; that pressure you feel to change your opinion is coming entirely from within yourself. > was it immoral when the women’s March protesters took the capitol? I’m not sure, let me check: did they break windows and doors to gain entry into the capitol building? Did they break into representatives’ offices? Were there weapons and detaining tools found on their persons?
  - CyberRabbi 6y ago
    Yea again, by that logic, it was also a truly harmful action when the women’s March protestors stormed the capitol. https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20 https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20 Of course, if you’re fair and reasonable in your judgments you’d see that both were legitimate protests, and the only innocent victims of violence in the maga protest were the unarmed protestors themselves.
    - pqhwan 6y ago
      > when the women’s March protestors stormed the capitol. What the heck are you talking about?
      - seppin 6y ago
        It's MAGA world, they are closing ranks around "violence is ok look what you made us do". It's the natural last step in any fascist movement. The question remains, how many Americans remain this radicalized. If the number is low enough , the country survives.
- forserious 6y ago
  "The circumstances surrounding Mr. Sicknick's death were not immediately clear, and the Capitol Police said only that he had “passed away due to injuries sustained while on duty.” At some point in the chaos " Capitol Police said this... Or are we only allowed to provide partial facts? Maybe all of those gun shot victims I keep reading about are simply dying from loss of blood? My mistake... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-capitol-dies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-... https://googlethatforyou.com?q=stroke%20after%20blunt%20force%20truma%20 https://googlethatforyou.com?q=stroke%20after%20blunt%20forc...
  - forserious 6y ago
    Shocked to not hear back on this. /s https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjamin-philips-kevin-greeson-rosanne-boyland-were-the-three-others-who-died-during-the-capitol-riot https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjamin-philips-kevin-greeson... Just in case we need more...
    - seppin 6y ago
      If they do respond, it will be with "Yeah but what about..." without missing a beat. No reflection, no introspection, just furthering the infinite game. More footage: https://twitter.com/mickeydelo/status/1348312979129905155 https://twitter.com/mickeydelo/status/1348312979129905155
  - forserious 6y ago
    And... "While authorities haven’t provided details on the medical emergencies, Greeson’s son said his father died from a heart attack mid-protest. Boyland died after being crushed by the crowd, according to one report, while Philips had a stroke, fellow protesters said." https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjamin-philips-kevin-greeson-rosanne-boyland-were-the-three-others-who-died-during-the-capitol-riot https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjamin-philips-kevin-greeson...
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CyberRabbi 6y ago

The fact remains that 4 unarmed protestors were killed, at least 2 were directly killed by capitol police. There were no deaths directly caused by the protestors. Sicknick died from a blood clot. So when you say that the protestors caused a truly harmful action to take place, what exactly are you referring to?

pqhwan 6y ago
...breaking and entering into congress?
- pqhwan 6y ago
  Btw even Matt Gaetz can’t defend that one, which is why you see him hallucinating under command on national television about them being antifa.
  - CyberRabbi 6y ago
    Matt Gaetz is not an authority on what is true and his take on things is irrelevant in this thread.
    - pqhwan 6y ago
      Clearly not. But it’s a clear example of where the rest of this society is drawing the line.
      - CyberRabbi 6y ago
        That argument is as valid as the argument that I should jump off a cliff because the rest of society is doing it.
        pqhwan 6y ago
        That argument is as valid as arguing that jumping off cliffs for no reason and admitting that breaking into congress is bad are equivalent.
        CyberRabbi 6y ago
        I never compared jumping off cliffs and breaking into Congress. The point is that your argument that we ought to condemn the actions of the trump supporters because the rest of society has done so is not a rational argument. I don’t think breaking into Congress is always bad. I support people’s right to peaceful protest. The Trump supporters by and large did not initiate violence, the violence was initiated on them by the police. If there was evidence that the trump supporters actually were initiating mass violence against people in the capitol that would be a different story, but with 4 unarmed protestors dead, they were the only ones who suffered casualties. That’s simply a fact. You’re drawing a line that any protest which occupies the capitol is immoral. I disagree with that but if you really believe that, was it immoral when the women’s March protesters took the capitol? https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20 https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20
        pqhwan 6y ago
        > your argument that we ought to condemn the actions of the trump supporters because the rest of society has done so is not a rational argument. I’m not arguing that at all, I’m just telling you what the rest of the society is doing; that pressure you feel to change your opinion is coming entirely from within yourself. > was it immoral when the women’s March protesters took the capitol? I’m not sure, let me check: did they break windows and doors to gain entry into the capitol building? Did they break into representatives’ offices? Were there weapons and detaining tools found on their persons?
- CyberRabbi 6y ago
  Yea again, by that logic, it was also a truly harmful action when the women’s March protestors stormed the capitol. https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20 https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20 Of course, if you’re fair and reasonable in your judgments you’d see that both were legitimate protests, and the only innocent victims of violence in the maga protest were the unarmed protestors themselves.
  - pqhwan 6y ago
    > when the women’s March protestors stormed the capitol. What the heck are you talking about?
    - seppin 6y ago
      It's MAGA world, they are closing ranks around "violence is ok look what you made us do". It's the natural last step in any fascist movement. The question remains, how many Americans remain this radicalized. If the number is low enough , the country survives.
forserious 6y ago
"The circumstances surrounding Mr. Sicknick's death were not immediately clear, and the Capitol Police said only that he had “passed away due to injuries sustained while on duty.” At some point in the chaos " Capitol Police said this... Or are we only allowed to provide partial facts? Maybe all of those gun shot victims I keep reading about are simply dying from loss of blood? My mistake... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-capitol-dies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-... https://googlethatforyou.com?q=stroke%20after%20blunt%20force%20truma%20 https://googlethatforyou.com?q=stroke%20after%20blunt%20forc...
- forserious 6y ago
  Shocked to not hear back on this. /s https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjamin-philips-kevin-greeson-rosanne-boyland-were-the-three-others-who-died-during-the-capitol-riot https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjamin-philips-kevin-greeson... Just in case we need more...
  - seppin 6y ago
    If they do respond, it will be with "Yeah but what about..." without missing a beat. No reflection, no introspection, just furthering the infinite game. More footage: https://twitter.com/mickeydelo/status/1348312979129905155 https://twitter.com/mickeydelo/status/1348312979129905155
- forserious 6y ago
  And... "While authorities haven’t provided details on the medical emergencies, Greeson’s son said his father died from a heart attack mid-protest. Boyland died after being crushed by the crowd, according to one report, while Philips had a stroke, fellow protesters said." https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjamin-philips-kevin-greeson-rosanne-boyland-were-the-three-others-who-died-during-the-capitol-riot https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjamin-philips-kevin-greeson...
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