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Harris was warning that those terrible riots would continue, not encouraging them. The meaning is quite clear, but I don't think I can convince you of that. Qu

Harris was warning that those terrible riots would continue, not encouraging them. The meaning is quite clear, but I don't think I can convince you of that. Quote from Harris: “It’s no wonder people are taking to the streets and I support them. We must always defend peaceful protest and peaceful protestors. We should not confuse them with those looting and committing acts of violence, including the shooter who was arrested for murder. And make no mistake, we will not let these vigilantes and extremists derail the path to justice.” We agree the BLM riots were bad. The Seattle insurrection especially. But Kamala Harris did not encourage them. Trump did encourage an insurrection against our government. There is a massive difference.

zaroth 6y ago
I know that’s what you see. You see that because you believe that and spoken language is ambiguous. Trump followed up with an almost identical statement. You understand what he said differently because you believe different things about Trump. It’s OK. It’s politics. In the end all I want is people to be consistent in how they describe violent mobs. Personally I don’t think these violent mobs in the summer or yesterday are terrorists. I think they are simply violent mobs that were allowed to get out of control through lack of policing and bad politics. I blame both sides. The meta problem I have is the rapid political capitalization by Democrats (including Harris) and the media following one violent mob after granting persistent cover and gaslighting readers for months over the significantly worse BLM/antifa mobs going off all summer.
- idiot900 6y ago
  > You see that because you believe that and spoken language is ambiguous. By this reasoning there is no such thing as a meaningful statement in a human language. Anyway. I think we'll agree to disagree. Pleasure chatting with you, and stay safe.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    Ambiguous doesn’t mean meaningless. Harris says verbatim that the protests are not going to let up, and should not. Even though they are violent, and people have died. You chose to interpret that as her saying that they would not stop (a warning) but not an endorsement. I see it clearly as a warning and an endorsement. Would not and should not. But I recognize that Trump talks and suddenly maybe I’m in your shoes and you’re in mine. Maybe I think the transcript irrefutably supports my position, but it’s Ok if you disagree. I don’t think either of us are fascists because of it. The result isn’t words have no meaning, it’s whether you will respect people enough to let them answer you and clarify and believe them when they do. So Trump says “there were fine people” and people say, wait did he just complement literal nazis, and you check the transcript and you realize, oh, “and I’m not talking about the nazis, they should be condemned totally”. But the media doesn’t allow Trump to say “and I’m not talking about the nazis”. They cover their ears at that point and say, “la la la, Trump just said nazis are fine people!” And that’s what’s wrong with this picture. They did it in Charlottesville, they did it to cover for horrible rioting by BLM/Antifa, and they are doing it today.

zaroth 6y ago

I know that’s what you see. You see that because you believe that and spoken language is ambiguous. Trump followed up with an almost identical statement. You understand what he said differently because you believe different things about Trump. It’s OK. It’s politics. In the end all I want is people to be consistent in how they describe violent mobs. Personally I don’t think these violent mobs in the summer or yesterday are terrorists. I think they are simply violent mobs that were allowed to get out of control through lack of policing and bad politics. I blame both sides. The meta problem I have is the rapid political capitalization by Democrats (including Harris) and the media following one violent mob after granting persistent cover and gaslighting readers for months over the significantly worse BLM/antifa mobs going off all summer.

idiot900 6y ago
> You see that because you believe that and spoken language is ambiguous. By this reasoning there is no such thing as a meaningful statement in a human language. Anyway. I think we'll agree to disagree. Pleasure chatting with you, and stay safe.
- zaroth 6y ago
  Ambiguous doesn’t mean meaningless. Harris says verbatim that the protests are not going to let up, and should not. Even though they are violent, and people have died. You chose to interpret that as her saying that they would not stop (a warning) but not an endorsement. I see it clearly as a warning and an endorsement. Would not and should not. But I recognize that Trump talks and suddenly maybe I’m in your shoes and you’re in mine. Maybe I think the transcript irrefutably supports my position, but it’s Ok if you disagree. I don’t think either of us are fascists because of it. The result isn’t words have no meaning, it’s whether you will respect people enough to let them answer you and clarify and believe them when they do. So Trump says “there were fine people” and people say, wait did he just complement literal nazis, and you check the transcript and you realize, oh, “and I’m not talking about the nazis, they should be condemned totally”. But the media doesn’t allow Trump to say “and I’m not talking about the nazis”. They cover their ears at that point and say, “la la la, Trump just said nazis are fine people!” And that’s what’s wrong with this picture. They did it in Charlottesville, they did it to cover for horrible rioting by BLM/Antifa, and they are doing it today.