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Mastodon, GNU Social, and the Fediverse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) https://en.wikipe

Mastodon, GNU Social, and the Fediverse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_social https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_social https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse The two software systems are compatible (both comply with the OStatus standard) so you can interact with content on servers that use the system. Diaspora also exists, but it's arguably more like Facebook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

app4soft 6y ago
> Mastodon How decentralized alternative to Twitter works IRL: Never exists account - https://mastodon.social/@1234567890examplecom2021 https://mastodon.social/@1234567890examplecom2021 > The page you are looking for isn't here. Suspended account - https://mastodon.social/@realDonaldTrump https://mastodon.social/@realDonaldTrump > The page you were looking for doesn't exist here anymore.
- viraptor 6y ago
  I think you're mixing decentralised and unmoderated here. You're free to run those accounts from another instance or provision your own. But you can't force someone else to carry that account, just as I can't force your Mastodon instance to carry mine.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
    Which means that in practice, it's very debatable how much more free these decentralized platforms are than centralized ones, and whether they're worth the extra effort required to make decentralization work. Especially since Mastodon seems to have (from my limited understanding) a "if you dare to talk to the Bad People you're also a Bad Person and getting dropped" mentality, effectively meaning that you cannot run an instance that is federating with both the mainstream fediverse and anything the mainstream fediverse doesn't like.
    - dna_polymerase 6y ago
      > Which means that in practice, it's very debatable how much more free these decentralized platforms are 100% more freedom right there. Freedom doesn't mean you can force me to listen to you. It means I can't force you to stop. What Mastodon enables people to do is a very direct way of stopping conversation with people that can't behave.
    - jakelazaroff 6y ago
      This is like complaining that a public street isn’t free because people can walk away if they don’t want to deal with you.
      - hombre_fatal 6y ago
        No, it’s saying that it’s not enough of an improvement to warrant the gulf of work required to make it compelling to anyone beyond the few people who use it today. We really need to move beyond this mindset where we think anyone will use an exact replica of an incumbent with some silver bullet tweak nobody actually cares about. It’s like thinking “Twitter but built with Rust” is compelling and getting mad at the sheeple when they couldn’t care less.
        jakelazaroff 6y ago
        The second paragraph is lamenting the fact that other instances can refuse to federate with you: > Especially since Mastodon seems to have (from my limited understanding) a "if you dare to talk to the Bad People you're also a Bad Person and getting dropped" mentality, effectively meaning that you cannot run an instance that is federating with both the mainstream fediverse and anything the mainstream fediverse doesn't like.
      - TeMPOraL 6y ago
        No, it's like me telling you that you can't be talking to 'tgsovlerkhgsel, or I'll start petitioning everyone you know to stop talking to you, giving each of them the same ultimatum to ensure maximum compliance. The toxic part here isn't someone banning/defederating you, but someone who didn't ban/defederate you getting threatened by others that they'd better do that or else everyone else will defederate them.
  - app4soft 6y ago
    So, `@realDonaldTrump` was suspended at least from Mastodon.social. How many instances left? How many also suspended `@realDonaldTrump`?
    - zoobab 6y ago
      "@realDonaldTrump" will spawn his own blockchain based social network.
      - app4soft 6y ago
        He is special, of course.
    - viraptor 6y ago
      He can afford his own instance which will never block him. Let's not pretend he's being stopped from running an independent social broadcast. It doesn't matter how many instances block him - nobody can be forced to listen to him.
      - app4soft 6y ago
        > He can afford his own instance which will never block him. Yeah, something like Hillary Clinton's private email server, right?
        viraptor 6y ago
        Not sure what you're trying to say, but it sounds like a bad take. Pick any/all reasons: - Trump family also using private email server for gov communication - Implying that a random Mastodon instance on the internet would be more trusted than his own - Implying that it matters at all for posting public messages or is similar in any way to private messages
        app4soft 6y ago
        > Not sure what you're trying to say I'm not trying to say, I'm just saying!
- r721 6y ago
  gargron (Mastodon dev)'s reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25697378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25697378
  - app4soft 6y ago
    > That being said, the actual Donald Trump would not be welcome on mastodon.social, nor would he be welcome on most servers that I am familiar with. He would likely have to host his own Mastodon server.
systemvoltage 6y ago
GNU Social is exactly how I imagined it to be.
- Spivak 6y ago
  It’s not exactly modern design but it does work and is super easy to set up.
  - pluc 6y ago
    It can be made relatively pretty: https://web.archive.org/web/20100413124819/http://identi.ca/ https://web.archive.org/web/20100413124819/http://identi.ca/
- scarmig 6y ago
  That prompted me to imagine what a parody of a GNU-style Twitter would look like, and yes, the connection works from the opposite direction.
  - neilpanchal 6y ago
    Tilable interface, requires days to set it up, tweet with i "Hello World!" <ESC> t, native vim keymap support, and hard to quit.
    - jcranmer 6y ago
      > tweet with i "Hello World!" <ESC> t, native vim keymap support vim is not GNU, emacs is. That means it would actually be <M-t> Hello World! <C-x> <C-s>, and the documentation would have a lengthy section on what the "Meta" key is and why not just call it "Alt".
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - neilpanchal 6y ago
        That's unnecessarily complicated. The vim way is better.
cydactyl 6y ago
I host a Mastodon instance and have posted below if anyone would like to learn/discuss more about both my instance, and Mastodon as a whole, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25697231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25697231

app4soft 6y ago

> Mastodon How decentralized alternative to Twitter works IRL: Never exists account - https://mastodon.social/@1234567890examplecom2021 https://mastodon.social/@1234567890examplecom2021 > The page you are looking for isn't here. Suspended account - https://mastodon.social/@realDonaldTrump https://mastodon.social/@realDonaldTrump > The page you were looking for doesn't exist here anymore.

viraptor 6y ago
I think you're mixing decentralised and unmoderated here. You're free to run those accounts from another instance or provision your own. But you can't force someone else to carry that account, just as I can't force your Mastodon instance to carry mine.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
  Which means that in practice, it's very debatable how much more free these decentralized platforms are than centralized ones, and whether they're worth the extra effort required to make decentralization work. Especially since Mastodon seems to have (from my limited understanding) a "if you dare to talk to the Bad People you're also a Bad Person and getting dropped" mentality, effectively meaning that you cannot run an instance that is federating with both the mainstream fediverse and anything the mainstream fediverse doesn't like.
  - dna_polymerase 6y ago
    > Which means that in practice, it's very debatable how much more free these decentralized platforms are 100% more freedom right there. Freedom doesn't mean you can force me to listen to you. It means I can't force you to stop. What Mastodon enables people to do is a very direct way of stopping conversation with people that can't behave.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    This is like complaining that a public street isn’t free because people can walk away if they don’t want to deal with you.
    - hombre_fatal 6y ago
      No, it’s saying that it’s not enough of an improvement to warrant the gulf of work required to make it compelling to anyone beyond the few people who use it today. We really need to move beyond this mindset where we think anyone will use an exact replica of an incumbent with some silver bullet tweak nobody actually cares about. It’s like thinking “Twitter but built with Rust” is compelling and getting mad at the sheeple when they couldn’t care less.
      - jakelazaroff 6y ago
        The second paragraph is lamenting the fact that other instances can refuse to federate with you: > Especially since Mastodon seems to have (from my limited understanding) a "if you dare to talk to the Bad People you're also a Bad Person and getting dropped" mentality, effectively meaning that you cannot run an instance that is federating with both the mainstream fediverse and anything the mainstream fediverse doesn't like.
    - TeMPOraL 6y ago
      No, it's like me telling you that you can't be talking to 'tgsovlerkhgsel, or I'll start petitioning everyone you know to stop talking to you, giving each of them the same ultimatum to ensure maximum compliance. The toxic part here isn't someone banning/defederating you, but someone who didn't ban/defederate you getting threatened by others that they'd better do that or else everyone else will defederate them.
- app4soft 6y ago
  So, `@realDonaldTrump` was suspended at least from Mastodon.social. How many instances left? How many also suspended `@realDonaldTrump`?
  - zoobab 6y ago
    "@realDonaldTrump" will spawn his own blockchain based social network.
    - app4soft 6y ago
      He is special, of course.
  - viraptor 6y ago
    He can afford his own instance which will never block him. Let's not pretend he's being stopped from running an independent social broadcast. It doesn't matter how many instances block him - nobody can be forced to listen to him.
    - app4soft 6y ago
      > He can afford his own instance which will never block him. Yeah, something like Hillary Clinton's private email server, right?
      - viraptor 6y ago
        Not sure what you're trying to say, but it sounds like a bad take. Pick any/all reasons: - Trump family also using private email server for gov communication - Implying that a random Mastodon instance on the internet would be more trusted than his own - Implying that it matters at all for posting public messages or is similar in any way to private messages
        app4soft 6y ago
        > Not sure what you're trying to say I'm not trying to say, I'm just saying!
r721 6y ago
gargron (Mastodon dev)'s reply: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25697378 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25697378
- app4soft 6y ago
  > That being said, the actual Donald Trump would not be welcome on mastodon.social, nor would he be welcome on most servers that I am familiar with. He would likely have to host his own Mastodon server.

systemvoltage 6y ago

GNU Social is exactly how I imagined it to be.

Spivak 6y ago
It’s not exactly modern design but it does work and is super easy to set up.
- pluc 6y ago
  It can be made relatively pretty: https://web.archive.org/web/20100413124819/http://identi.ca/ https://web.archive.org/web/20100413124819/http://identi.ca/
scarmig 6y ago
That prompted me to imagine what a parody of a GNU-style Twitter would look like, and yes, the connection works from the opposite direction.
- neilpanchal 6y ago
  Tilable interface, requires days to set it up, tweet with i "Hello World!" <ESC> t, native vim keymap support, and hard to quit.
  - jcranmer 6y ago
    > tweet with i "Hello World!" <ESC> t, native vim keymap support vim is not GNU, emacs is. That means it would actually be <M-t> Hello World! <C-x> <C-s>, and the documentation would have a lengthy section on what the "Meta" key is and why not just call it "Alt".
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - neilpanchal 6y ago
      That's unnecessarily complicated. The vim way is better.

cydactyl 6y ago

I host a Mastodon instance and have posted below if anyone would like to learn/discuss more about both my instance, and Mastodon as a whole, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25697231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25697231