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Regardless of your beliefs, today is a sad day for free speech.

by pupdogg 6y ago

piyush_soni 6y ago
By that if you mean 'violent inciting free speech', then yes, sad day for that.
- ryanSrich 6y ago
  I’m for all speech. Regardless if I agree with it or not. I would rather debate ideas I disagree with rather than they fester underground. “violent inciting free speech” is a subject take on Trump’s tweets whether you like it or not. I’d rather make that distinction for myself instead of relying on the judgment of some Twitter employee I’ve never met.
  - piyush_soni 6y ago
    Yes, I can make my own judgements from the tweets, so don't need some Twitter employee to tell me the same. I think he should have been banned a lot sooner.
    - ryanSrich 6y ago
      Cool, and you're free to block any account you want. Twitter even provides multiple ways to avoid seeing an account. So the issue was already solved. No need to further censor ideas. Individuals can make their own decision.
      - piyush_soni 6y ago
        I will block his account, but his followers will not, that's precisely the problem, and the whole point. They will commit violence and vandalize public property instead.
        ryanSrich 6y ago
        So your goal then is to memory hole any account that could lead to anyone using it as justification for violence? You sound like middle-aged moms in the 90s that blamed violent video games and metal music for school shootings.
        piyush_soni 6y ago
        > So your goal then is to memory hole any account that could lead to anyone using it as justification for violence Yes, but only if he/she has massive following that can actually incite "mob violence". With great power, comes great responsibility, while Trump is a kid who has been blaming everyone else for his defeat.
keithnz 6y ago
why? twitter isn't the government, nothing is stopping anyone's free speech.
r0s 6y ago
Absolutely the opposite of your sentiment.
pacomerh 6y ago
Would you agree that there are many ways to deliver a message? Do you think verbally insulting my friends to the point where they can no longer communicate with me is freedom of speech?. Things are not black and white
- pupdogg 6y ago
  I agree. Verbally assaulting, belittling someone, or having a physical fight never has and never will solve any problems. However, that would only be the case if we lived in a perfect world. History tells us otherwise. Also, how someone delivers their message is more deeply rooted into a persons upbringing/nurturing and life experiences than being told how to act. I personally have a couple friends that I refer to as short-fused, they tend to loose their temper in no time and over things I would think are unimportant. However, I’ve accepted them as friends because I know that those small spurts of rage do not represent their genuine friendship with me (this is from knowing them over 10 years). I’m 40 at this point and something I’ve come to realize is that every person has a cut-off age, after which, no matter what you try to teach or tell them, they will not be able to change their way of life (specifically how they interact). Does that mean that they’re a bad person? I wouldn’t know until I am personally able to engage into an interaction with him or her. My wisdom has confirmed to never judge a book by its cover and that was not the case when I was in high school. My few cents. Happy new year bud!

Regardless of your beliefs, today is a sad day for free speech.

piyush_soni 6y ago

By that if you mean 'violent inciting free speech', then yes, sad day for that.

ryanSrich 6y ago
I’m for all speech. Regardless if I agree with it or not. I would rather debate ideas I disagree with rather than they fester underground. “violent inciting free speech” is a subject take on Trump’s tweets whether you like it or not. I’d rather make that distinction for myself instead of relying on the judgment of some Twitter employee I’ve never met.
- piyush_soni 6y ago
  Yes, I can make my own judgements from the tweets, so don't need some Twitter employee to tell me the same. I think he should have been banned a lot sooner.
  - ryanSrich 6y ago
    Cool, and you're free to block any account you want. Twitter even provides multiple ways to avoid seeing an account. So the issue was already solved. No need to further censor ideas. Individuals can make their own decision.
    - piyush_soni 6y ago
      I will block his account, but his followers will not, that's precisely the problem, and the whole point. They will commit violence and vandalize public property instead.
      - ryanSrich 6y ago
        So your goal then is to memory hole any account that could lead to anyone using it as justification for violence? You sound like middle-aged moms in the 90s that blamed violent video games and metal music for school shootings.
        piyush_soni 6y ago
        > So your goal then is to memory hole any account that could lead to anyone using it as justification for violence Yes, but only if he/she has massive following that can actually incite "mob violence". With great power, comes great responsibility, while Trump is a kid who has been blaming everyone else for his defeat.

keithnz 6y ago

why? twitter isn't the government, nothing is stopping anyone's free speech.

r0s 6y ago

Absolutely the opposite of your sentiment.

pacomerh 6y ago

Would you agree that there are many ways to deliver a message? Do you think verbally insulting my friends to the point where they can no longer communicate with me is freedom of speech?. Things are not black and white

pupdogg 6y ago
I agree. Verbally assaulting, belittling someone, or having a physical fight never has and never will solve any problems. However, that would only be the case if we lived in a perfect world. History tells us otherwise. Also, how someone delivers their message is more deeply rooted into a persons upbringing/nurturing and life experiences than being told how to act. I personally have a couple friends that I refer to as short-fused, they tend to loose their temper in no time and over things I would think are unimportant. However, I’ve accepted them as friends because I know that those small spurts of rage do not represent their genuine friendship with me (this is from knowing them over 10 years). I’m 40 at this point and something I’ve come to realize is that every person has a cut-off age, after which, no matter what you try to teach or tell them, they will not be able to change their way of life (specifically how they interact). Does that mean that they’re a bad person? I wouldn’t know until I am personally able to engage into an interaction with him or her. My wisdom has confirmed to never judge a book by its cover and that was not the case when I was in high school. My few cents. Happy new year bud!