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Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1]

Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-difference-reality-perception https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

billylindeman 6y ago
Yes. Chaz?
- jldugger 6y ago
  Wrong capitol hill.
  - monoideism 6y ago
    If creating an "autonomous zone" in the middle of the United States isn't sedition, then I don't know what is. If you want to forgive it because it was a bunch of deluded incompetents, then you should probably forgive the Capitol seditionists for the same reason.
    - jldugger 6y ago
      > an "autonomous zone" in the middle of the United States Well, in the middle of Seattle. It's not clear whether chaz intended to secede from the US or merely Seattle policing; their demands were certainly very local so I suspect they really had no intention of leaving the US itself.
refurb 6y ago
Well, they did takeover Seattle City Hall and demand the mayor resigns. Sounds like sedition to me? https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protests/seattle-protesters-enter-city-hall/281-35cf42b7-c634-4fef-a0df-09ade640a735 https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protests/seattle-pr...
NE2z2T9qi 6y ago
Yes. Attacked federal courthouses and a mob outside the White House burned a church.
blisterpeanuts 6y ago
Wherein 100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building (and one of them getting shot to death) is somehow worse than the aforementioned billions in property damage and assaults on cops, smashed police cars, passersby attacked, stores looted, fires set... in 12 different cities around the nation?
- slg 6y ago
  >100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building This isn't a fair representation of what happened and it reveals your bias. For one example, it appears a police officer was murdered with a fire extinguisher. We don't even have to get to what might have happened if the politicians weren't able to get out in time.
  - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
    You are correct; a police officer was reportedly struck over the head with a fire extinguisher, and he later died of the injury. I really, really want them to find who did that. I also think the guy who shot that unarmed woman has no business wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon. And if it wasn't 100 people spilling over a barrier (actually, the police pulled the barriers away and literally waved them in - explain that one to me) and entering a government building and disrupting an important session... then what was it?
    - slg 6y ago
      >I also think the guy who shot that unarmed woman has no business wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon. I don't know what you are basing this on. He was apparently the last line of defense between the mob and some of the politicians the mob was trying to attack. Who knows what would have happened if they got through that door and he didn't act. There could have easily been a serious hostage situation. >And if it wasn't 100 people spilling over a barrier (actually, the police pulled the barriers away and literally waved them in - explain that one to me) and entering a government building and disrupting an important session... then what was it? Cops aren't apolitical. I guarantee there were plenty of people involved in security that sided with the insurrectionists. And that is exactly what it was, insurrection. They were trying to and were temporarily able to disrupt the function of the government recognizing the rightful next president.
Nacdor 6y ago
Is it better that they looted and burned local businesses rather than confronting the politicians who were the architects of their oppression?
- johnmaguire2013 6y ago
  Didn't they confront the police who were the architects of their oppression? Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-difference-reality-perception https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...
AndrewBissell 6y ago
Hahah, "sedition." A big made-for-TV LARP that lasted a matter of hours where almost nobody was armed and nothing was at stake -- hardly any desks were even overturned. There wasn't even a millisecond where it looked like Wednesday's events would affect how power is wielded or who wields it in the U.S.
- jackson1442 6y ago
  I think the milliseconds in which pipe bombs were found looked it like might affect the US.
  - AndrewBissell 6y ago
    In 1954 Puerto Rican nationalists shot five Representatives on the floor of the House. It did not change U.S. policy one iota, and neither would those pipe bombs had they gone off, which they did not.
- rrose 6y ago
  nothing was at stake, except the police officer who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher, also the lives of the people targeted by the pipe bombs.
rhino369 6y ago
The riots[1] this past year were actual rebellion too. They certainly challenged government authority and burned down police stations. Some of the Lafayette Square protestors would have breached the white house if they could have too. 60 secret service agents were injured. The only difference, really, is that the Capitol Police did a worse job. [1]I don't like using the term BLM riots since I have have no idea to what extent they are responsible as a movement (if at all).
- johnmaguire2013 6y ago
  There were very few riots - and part of the problem is that all BLM protests, whether resulting in riots or not, have been dubbed under this label.

billylindeman 6y ago

Yes. Chaz?

jldugger 6y ago
Wrong capitol hill.
- monoideism 6y ago
  If creating an "autonomous zone" in the middle of the United States isn't sedition, then I don't know what is. If you want to forgive it because it was a bunch of deluded incompetents, then you should probably forgive the Capitol seditionists for the same reason.
  - jldugger 6y ago
    > an "autonomous zone" in the middle of the United States Well, in the middle of Seattle. It's not clear whether chaz intended to secede from the US or merely Seattle policing; their demands were certainly very local so I suspect they really had no intention of leaving the US itself.

refurb 6y ago

Well, they did takeover Seattle City Hall and demand the mayor resigns. Sounds like sedition to me? https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protests/seattle-protesters-enter-city-hall/281-35cf42b7-c634-4fef-a0df-09ade640a735 https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/protests/seattle-pr...

NE2z2T9qi 6y ago

Yes. Attacked federal courthouses and a mob outside the White House burned a church.

blisterpeanuts 6y ago

Wherein 100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building (and one of them getting shot to death) is somehow worse than the aforementioned billions in property damage and assaults on cops, smashed police cars, passersby attacked, stores looted, fires set... in 12 different cities around the nation?

slg 6y ago
>100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building This isn't a fair representation of what happened and it reveals your bias. For one example, it appears a police officer was murdered with a fire extinguisher. We don't even have to get to what might have happened if the politicians weren't able to get out in time.
- blisterpeanuts 6y ago
  You are correct; a police officer was reportedly struck over the head with a fire extinguisher, and he later died of the injury. I really, really want them to find who did that. I also think the guy who shot that unarmed woman has no business wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon. And if it wasn't 100 people spilling over a barrier (actually, the police pulled the barriers away and literally waved them in - explain that one to me) and entering a government building and disrupting an important session... then what was it?
  - slg 6y ago
    >I also think the guy who shot that unarmed woman has no business wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon. I don't know what you are basing this on. He was apparently the last line of defense between the mob and some of the politicians the mob was trying to attack. Who knows what would have happened if they got through that door and he didn't act. There could have easily been a serious hostage situation. >And if it wasn't 100 people spilling over a barrier (actually, the police pulled the barriers away and literally waved them in - explain that one to me) and entering a government building and disrupting an important session... then what was it? Cops aren't apolitical. I guarantee there were plenty of people involved in security that sided with the insurrectionists. And that is exactly what it was, insurrection. They were trying to and were temporarily able to disrupt the function of the government recognizing the rightful next president.

Nacdor 6y ago

Is it better that they looted and burned local businesses rather than confronting the politicians who were the architects of their oppression?

johnmaguire2013 6y ago
Didn't they confront the police who were the architects of their oppression? Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-difference-reality-perception https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

AndrewBissell 6y ago

Hahah, "sedition." A big made-for-TV LARP that lasted a matter of hours where almost nobody was armed and nothing was at stake -- hardly any desks were even overturned. There wasn't even a millisecond where it looked like Wednesday's events would affect how power is wielded or who wields it in the U.S.

jackson1442 6y ago
I think the milliseconds in which pipe bombs were found looked it like might affect the US.
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  In 1954 Puerto Rican nationalists shot five Representatives on the floor of the House. It did not change U.S. policy one iota, and neither would those pipe bombs had they gone off, which they did not.
rrose 6y ago
nothing was at stake, except the police officer who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher, also the lives of the people targeted by the pipe bombs.

rhino369 6y ago

The riots[1] this past year were actual rebellion too. They certainly challenged government authority and burned down police stations. Some of the Lafayette Square protestors would have breached the white house if they could have too. 60 secret service agents were injured. The only difference, really, is that the Capitol Police did a worse job. [1]I don't like using the term BLM riots since I have have no idea to what extent they are responsible as a movement (if at all).

johnmaguire2013 6y ago
There were very few riots - and part of the problem is that all BLM protests, whether resulting in riots or not, have been dubbed under this label.