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Months of violent rioting in the streets? 2/3rds of democrats believing Russia hacked and changed vote counts in 2016? The hypocrisy is unbelievable. This will

Months of violent rioting in the streets? 2/3rds of democrats believing Russia hacked and changed vote counts in 2016? The hypocrisy is unbelievable. This will not end well.

colinmhayes 6y ago
Source that 2/3 democrats believe russians hacked voting machines? I haven't heard anyone claim that.
- detaro 6y ago
  presumably they are referring to https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/03/09/russias-impact-election-seen-through-partisan-eyes https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20... "Two out of three Democrats also claim Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President – something for which there has been no credible evidence."
- casefields 6y ago
  https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/12/27/belief-conspiracies-largely-depends-political-iden https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
mhh__ 6y ago
> 2/3rds of democrats believing Russia hacked and changed vote counts in 2016? [Citation needed] The chronology of Russian involvement with and around the Trump campaign, illegal or not, is pretty damn well established now thanks to the Mueller report, disclosures from other parallel cases, and the recent senate committee report. Changing vote counts isn't part of it. Meanwhile, as per YouGov [https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/06/US-capitol-trump-poll https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...] "One in five voters - including 45% of Republicans - approve of the storming of the Capitol building"
- SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
  > Changing vote counts isn't part of it. Amazing! Then please explain where they got that idea put into their heads? "Two out of three Democrats also claim Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President – something for which there has been no credible evidence." https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/03/09/russias-impact-election-seen-through-partisan-eyes https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    Well where did they then? Find me a reference to something from a three letter agency, and I'll believe you. You're skirting around making the allegation via a rhetorical question. If you're trying to pin something on me, keep in mind that I'm not even American, let alone a Democrat.
    - SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
      Many prominent voices were guilty of spreading the conspiracy. Here's one analysis: https://news.ku.edu/2019/10/15/dangers-saying-russia-hacked-2016-election https://news.ku.edu/2019/10/15/dangers-saying-russia-hacked-... "Those on the political left who play fast and loose with the term “hacked,” as in “Russia hacked the 2016 presidential election,” are aiding the Kremlin in its mission of undermining Americans’ faith in the democratic process, two University of Kansas researchers write in a new scholarly paper. ... The authors lay the blame for this problem at the feet of the liberal media, which they define as media that liberals consume, including the Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC. They wrote, “We demonstrate that the insular nature of much of the liberal media ... enabled the spread of this misleading definition. Through a rhetorical analysis of texts defining Russia’s influence campaign as ‘hacking,’ we demonstrate that Twitter and the publications produced by the liberal media were highly influential in creating the widespread notion that Russia ‘hacked’ the election.”" An example of a name: Biden Appointee Neera Tanden: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/biden-appointee-neera-tanden-spread https://greenwald.substack.com/p/biden-appointee-neera-tande...
playtriot 6y ago
> This will not end well Sounds like a threat. Get on over to parler friend! You seem like the sort of patriot we love to keep very close tabs on. Be sure to have your SSN and photo ID out and ready
zests 6y ago
One day we’re going to find out that some inordinate amount of internet comments are paid astroturfing and the regular commenters will be equally upset between getting duped and not getting paid for their comments.
verwyrelevant 6y ago
Elizabeth Warren still has on her campaign website a section where she calls the US election system a joke: https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-democracy https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-democracy >The harsh truth is that our elections are extremely vulnerable to attack: Forty-two states use voter registration databases that are more than a decade old. Laughably, in 2019, some still use Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Twelve states still use paperless machines, meaning there’s no paper trail to verify vote counts. Some states don’t require post-election audits. And ten states don’t train election officials to deal with cybersecurity threats. This is a national security threat, and three years after a hostile foreign power literally attacked our democracy, we’ve done far too little to address it. I mean, even this very place always had a history of distrusting voting machines, etc.

Months of violent rioting in the streets? 2/3rds of democrats believing Russia hacked and changed vote counts in 2016? The hypocrisy is unbelievable. This will not end well.

colinmhayes 6y ago

Source that 2/3 democrats believe russians hacked voting machines? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

detaro 6y ago
presumably they are referring to https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/03/09/russias-impact-election-seen-through-partisan-eyes https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20... "Two out of three Democrats also claim Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President – something for which there has been no credible evidence."
casefields 6y ago
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/12/27/belief-conspiracies-largely-depends-political-iden https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...

mhh__ 6y ago

> 2/3rds of democrats believing Russia hacked and changed vote counts in 2016? [Citation needed] The chronology of Russian involvement with and around the Trump campaign, illegal or not, is pretty damn well established now thanks to the Mueller report, disclosures from other parallel cases, and the recent senate committee report. Changing vote counts isn't part of it. Meanwhile, as per YouGov [https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/06/US-capitol-trump-poll https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...] "One in five voters - including 45% of Republicans - approve of the storming of the Capitol building"

SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
> Changing vote counts isn't part of it. Amazing! Then please explain where they got that idea put into their heads? "Two out of three Democrats also claim Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President – something for which there has been no credible evidence." https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/03/09/russias-impact-election-seen-through-partisan-eyes https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Well where did they then? Find me a reference to something from a three letter agency, and I'll believe you. You're skirting around making the allegation via a rhetorical question. If you're trying to pin something on me, keep in mind that I'm not even American, let alone a Democrat.
  - SpaceRaccoon 6y ago
    Many prominent voices were guilty of spreading the conspiracy. Here's one analysis: https://news.ku.edu/2019/10/15/dangers-saying-russia-hacked-2016-election https://news.ku.edu/2019/10/15/dangers-saying-russia-hacked-... "Those on the political left who play fast and loose with the term “hacked,” as in “Russia hacked the 2016 presidential election,” are aiding the Kremlin in its mission of undermining Americans’ faith in the democratic process, two University of Kansas researchers write in a new scholarly paper. ... The authors lay the blame for this problem at the feet of the liberal media, which they define as media that liberals consume, including the Washington Post, CNN and MSNBC. They wrote, “We demonstrate that the insular nature of much of the liberal media ... enabled the spread of this misleading definition. Through a rhetorical analysis of texts defining Russia’s influence campaign as ‘hacking,’ we demonstrate that Twitter and the publications produced by the liberal media were highly influential in creating the widespread notion that Russia ‘hacked’ the election.”" An example of a name: Biden Appointee Neera Tanden: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/biden-appointee-neera-tanden-spread https://greenwald.substack.com/p/biden-appointee-neera-tande...

playtriot 6y ago

> This will not end well Sounds like a threat. Get on over to parler friend! You seem like the sort of patriot we love to keep very close tabs on. Be sure to have your SSN and photo ID out and ready

zests 6y ago

One day we’re going to find out that some inordinate amount of internet comments are paid astroturfing and the regular commenters will be equally upset between getting duped and not getting paid for their comments.

verwyrelevant 6y ago

Elizabeth Warren still has on her campaign website a section where she calls the US election system a joke: https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-democracy https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/strengthening-democracy >The harsh truth is that our elections are extremely vulnerable to attack: Forty-two states use voter registration databases that are more than a decade old. Laughably, in 2019, some still use Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Twelve states still use paperless machines, meaning there’s no paper trail to verify vote counts. Some states don’t require post-election audits. And ten states don’t train election officials to deal with cybersecurity threats. This is a national security threat, and three years after a hostile foreign power literally attacked our democracy, we’ve done far too little to address it. I mean, even this very place always had a history of distrusting voting machines, etc.