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I'd really hoped for de-escalation, but we're going in exactly the opposite direction.

polka_haunts_us 6y ago
This is the issue with people who believe in unilateral nuclear disarmament: what if the other side doesn't want to disarm. De-escalation takes 2, and Trump does not appear to be de-escalating.
justiceforsaas 6y ago
That's also what I thought. Instead of using fire extinguishers, FB/Apple/Google are adding more gasoline to the fire. This is going to radicalize people (especially conspiracy theorists) who now think have actual, indisputable "proof" these companies are there to get them.
- lame-robot-hoax 6y ago
  This is my main worry. I’m not worried about Parler getting taken down, they have no intrinsic right to have access to these stores hosted by private entities. They can self host, or find someone willing to host them, or implement moderation so they don’t have people calling for the death of senators on their service. But I am worried this will light a fuse towards further radicalization.
  - millzlane 6y ago
    Radicalization because they're too lazy or too dumb or whatever to create their own platform. I'd be mad too if I couldn't harass folks and spread my hate easily.
    - waheoo 6y ago
      ^ the irony
  - rvanlaar 6y ago
    Twitter now allows me to follow a diverse group of people who promote a different set of norms, value and ideas. It shows me how other people think and I'm exposed to that. That cross pollination isn't going to happen when every tribe has it's own platforms. What I see happening is Pillarisation [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillarisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillarisation
- AI_WAIFU 6y ago
  > "proof" Can you really say that they're wrong? There might not be a conspiracy, but the "out to get them" seems pretty accurate. I predict payment processors will also attempt to deplatform parler soon enough.
userbinator 6y ago
The end-game is naturally to associate "sideloading" (i.e. downloading and installing software from anywhere yourself... the way it used to be), jailbreaking, and other activities --- possibly up to and including general-purpose computers --- with terrorism/racism/far-right extremism/etc. Yesterday was merely a very convenient moment for all of Big Tech to start the squeeze.
- burnthrow 6y ago
  Until the past few days, I had no idea this site was legion with the basest /r/conspiracy buffoons. Now I'm definitely gone, you can have it.
jcranmer 6y ago
The people who want to see Trump commit a coup and were disappointed that the sedition on the 6th failed to effect that were already calling for violence on the 20th. While they won't succeed in effecting the coup on the 20th either, there is a very real chance that violence will happen and people will die as a result. Those people were already planning for violence before any of the deplatforming started. The only way you're going to deescalate the situation is either to give in to the terrorists and give them a Trump coup, or you're going to have to convince them that violence is not going to be tolerated and the underlying grievance is not worth it. The latter probably requires Trump (and only Trump can be the standard bearer at this point, and I'm not even sure he could pull this off) admitting that the election was not fraudulent and that he has been lying to his supporters, in addition to calling for legal punishments to those that committed violence in his name. If you haven't noticed, those were pretty much the exact opposite of what he chose to do in the brief time he had access to Twitter today.

This is the issue with people who believe in unilateral nuclear disarmament: what if the other side doesn't want to disarm. De-escalation takes 2, and Trump does not appear to be de-escalating.

justiceforsaas 6y ago

That's also what I thought. Instead of using fire extinguishers, FB/Apple/Google are adding more gasoline to the fire. This is going to radicalize people (especially conspiracy theorists) who now think have actual, indisputable "proof" these companies are there to get them.

lame-robot-hoax 6y ago
This is my main worry. I’m not worried about Parler getting taken down, they have no intrinsic right to have access to these stores hosted by private entities. They can self host, or find someone willing to host them, or implement moderation so they don’t have people calling for the death of senators on their service. But I am worried this will light a fuse towards further radicalization.
- millzlane 6y ago
  Radicalization because they're too lazy or too dumb or whatever to create their own platform. I'd be mad too if I couldn't harass folks and spread my hate easily.
  - waheoo 6y ago
    ^ the irony
- rvanlaar 6y ago
  Twitter now allows me to follow a diverse group of people who promote a different set of norms, value and ideas. It shows me how other people think and I'm exposed to that. That cross pollination isn't going to happen when every tribe has it's own platforms. What I see happening is Pillarisation [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillarisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillarisation
AI_WAIFU 6y ago
> "proof" Can you really say that they're wrong? There might not be a conspiracy, but the "out to get them" seems pretty accurate. I predict payment processors will also attempt to deplatform parler soon enough.

userbinator 6y ago

The end-game is naturally to associate "sideloading" (i.e. downloading and installing software from anywhere yourself... the way it used to be), jailbreaking, and other activities --- possibly up to and including general-purpose computers --- with terrorism/racism/far-right extremism/etc. Yesterday was merely a very convenient moment for all of Big Tech to start the squeeze.

burnthrow 6y ago
Until the past few days, I had no idea this site was legion with the basest /r/conspiracy buffoons. Now I'm definitely gone, you can have it.

jcranmer 6y ago

The people who want to see Trump commit a coup and were disappointed that the sedition on the 6th failed to effect that were already calling for violence on the 20th. While they won't succeed in effecting the coup on the 20th either, there is a very real chance that violence will happen and people will die as a result. Those people were already planning for violence before any of the deplatforming started. The only way you're going to deescalate the situation is either to give in to the terrorists and give them a Trump coup, or you're going to have to convince them that violence is not going to be tolerated and the underlying grievance is not worth it. The latter probably requires Trump (and only Trump can be the standard bearer at this point, and I'm not even sure he could pull this off) admitting that the election was not fraudulent and that he has been lying to his supporters, in addition to calling for legal punishments to those that committed violence in his name. If you haven't noticed, those were pretty much the exact opposite of what he chose to do in the brief time he had access to Twitter today.