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Who has died? Can you name names?

throwawayblmde 6y ago
19+ people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur...
- iconjack 6y ago
  I think that list is only Minneapolis. There are more.
- thefucnjosh 6y ago
  A number of people who are listed on the wikipedia list are unrelated or killed by right-wingers: Someone was shot during a looting spree startribune.com/man-shot-dead-outside-lake-street-pawnshop-during-unrest-is-identified/570865962/ Someone killed someone when they committed arson but that person was arrested, far from the claim that BLM got away with something. startribune.com/body-found-in-wreckage-of-mpls-pawn-shop-burned-during-george-floyd-unrest/571838681/ Random killings: Marie Kelly, killed in an apparent random shooting as she was leaving a demonstration https://apnews.com/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3 https://apnews.com/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3 None of this is terrorism. None of this is sedition. None of this is planned or organized by AOC. None of this is advocating for the overthrow of the government. None of this achieved any political goals or reform, contrary to claims made by media pundits, or weird niche youtubers like Rekieta Law or I'm sure whatever local talk radio show is on the air where you live.
  - throwawayblmde 6y ago
    I disagree, I think the BLM riots were terrorism and equivalent to what happened on Wednesday. I would also like to point out that you originally asked, with an incredulous tone, for a list of names of people who died as part of the BLM riots (implying that no one died). Now you are saying those deaths did not matter or were not caused by the riots, because of some cherrypicked examples where you didn't like the people who died. Every person that died was a person. As for your decision that it wasn't terrorism or invited by aoc, Aoc said this https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-says-some-communities-no-choice-riot-2019-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-says-some-comm... I think this is a stronger incitement to riot (saying some people have no choice but to riot) than anything Trump said. I think absolutely the issue is not as cut and dry as you are making it, and I don't listen to fringe youtube or talk radio and live in a big city.
    - thefucnjosh 6y ago
      Comparing the Junior Congresswoman to the President of the U.S. does not lend credence to your follow-up statement especially given the ridiculous & slanderous coverage she's been given. No further discussion with you is warranted. one-tab.com/page/tE5DJcsOQFiJQtKjGFH8wA
      - throwawayblmde 6y ago
        While they hold different offices, AOC is undeniably a favorite of the left and has 12 million twitter followers. Her being a junior congresswoman does not disqualify her from inciting riots. One does not need to be in government at all to incite a riot. The news article I linked was not slanderous afaik and casts AOC's pro-rioting views in a positive light. It is difficult for me to compare the impact of the BLM riots to Wednesday, but I view both as preventable tragedies caused by politicians. I won't attempt to quantify the tragedy or weigh them against each other. If you only want to view Trump as culpable, I wish you all the best but I think you would be wrong.
    - r0s 6y ago
      > the BLM riots were terrorism and equivalent to what happened on Wednesday One group is rioting to protest frequent ignored murder of their community. The other riot to attempt to halt an important democratic government process. That's clearly and demonstrably premeditated sedition and treason anyway you spin it, or ignore it in your case.
      - throwawayblmde 6y ago
        I read your argument to be that the terrorism is justified in one case and not justified in the other. That may be the case, but many will disagree about which form of terrorism is justified and then you have a bunch of terrorists everywhere. My argument is that neither terrorism is justified, and both were enflamed by the state of politics and most of the violence/bad behavior was done by desperate criminals or the mentally ill.
        6y ago
- Bud 6y ago
  You were lazy. You didn't read the list you posted. Once you do start reading it, you will find death after death attributed to far-right domestic terrorists and white supremacists. You'll also find a bunch of looters and arsonists that got killed because of what tends to happen when you commit arson and loot places. You'll also find innocent protestors that got murdered by police. Guess what you won't find? Any substantial number of deaths actually caused by left-wing protestors. Be more thorough next time.
  - throwawayblmde 6y ago
    Your tone is extremely patronizing and your message is incorrect. At a minimum, the protests were anti-police. Protestors were chanting slogans extremely hostile to the police. By creating an unsafe atmosphere after months of quarantine lockdowns, people rioted which resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars worth of damage across multiple cities and these deaths. Criminals and people with mental disorders were emboldened by sharp rhetoric/opportunism to break the law. I see this as very similar to what happened this week.
    - r0s 6y ago
      The protests were the largest civil rights movement in US history. That's several orders of magnatude larger than the largest trump rallys and riots. Painting BLM as one unified voice of violence is totally dishonest. Protesting the police is not violent, calling for justice is not violent. The continued, undeniable unaccounted murder of citizens by police is understandable reason for a relatively small portion of the BLM protests to turn ugly, and the police have a major, direct hand in that escalation.
    - Bud 6y ago
      Actually, the protests were anti-police murder. They were protesting the large numbers of murders of Black people by police. Again, please don't intentionally misconstrue what happened this summer in the BLM movement, or the impetus behind that. And if you see those protests as "similar" to a fascist mob trying to overthrow the US government, well, I don't really know what to say, other than that you are obviously incorrect.
galacticaactual 6y ago
How about David Dorn, retired St Louis Police Captain.
- thefucnjosh 6y ago
  The suspects have been caught and charged. Dorn was not a Trump supporter and wasn't killed for political reasons. Debra White told the paper that her father opposed much of Drumpf's rhetoric and policies, including "the things he said about Colin Kaepernick, the kids locked up in cages, the racist remarks." Dorn's daughters stated their father did not want to support the "law and order agenda".
lenkite 6y ago
Jessica Doty-Whitaker shot for saying all lives matter.
- thefucnjosh 6y ago
  This is a very strange case. But nevertheless it can't be said if she was killed for that. And the incident was not part of any kind of protest or riot. "Ramirez said in the Fox59 interview the two groups separated because they realized people in each group were armed. He said both groups then fist-bumped and went their separate ways. But someone opened fire from a nearby bridge and struck Doty-Whitaker, Ramirez said. He said the shooters then ran away. Ramirez said he fired back but did not hit anyone. When contacted by IndyStar, members of Doty-Whitaker's family declined interview requests."
  - lenkite 6y ago
    Police later released the video. She was shot just moments after yelling out “All lives matter”. https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/police-release-video-of-possible-witnesses-or-persons-of-interest-in-canal-killing/531-acef51ac-b1f2-41fb-ba23-340f8934ce50 https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/police-release-video...

19+ people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur...

iconjack 6y ago
I think that list is only Minneapolis. There are more.
thefucnjosh 6y ago
A number of people who are listed on the wikipedia list are unrelated or killed by right-wingers: Someone was shot during a looting spree startribune.com/man-shot-dead-outside-lake-street-pawnshop-during-unrest-is-identified/570865962/ Someone killed someone when they committed arson but that person was arrested, far from the claim that BLM got away with something. startribune.com/body-found-in-wreckage-of-mpls-pawn-shop-burned-during-george-floyd-unrest/571838681/ Random killings: Marie Kelly, killed in an apparent random shooting as she was leaving a demonstration https://apnews.com/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3 https://apnews.com/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3 None of this is terrorism. None of this is sedition. None of this is planned or organized by AOC. None of this is advocating for the overthrow of the government. None of this achieved any political goals or reform, contrary to claims made by media pundits, or weird niche youtubers like Rekieta Law or I'm sure whatever local talk radio show is on the air where you live.
- throwawayblmde 6y ago
  I disagree, I think the BLM riots were terrorism and equivalent to what happened on Wednesday. I would also like to point out that you originally asked, with an incredulous tone, for a list of names of people who died as part of the BLM riots (implying that no one died). Now you are saying those deaths did not matter or were not caused by the riots, because of some cherrypicked examples where you didn't like the people who died. Every person that died was a person. As for your decision that it wasn't terrorism or invited by aoc, Aoc said this https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-says-some-communities-no-choice-riot-2019-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/ocasio-cortez-says-some-comm... I think this is a stronger incitement to riot (saying some people have no choice but to riot) than anything Trump said. I think absolutely the issue is not as cut and dry as you are making it, and I don't listen to fringe youtube or talk radio and live in a big city.
  - thefucnjosh 6y ago
    Comparing the Junior Congresswoman to the President of the U.S. does not lend credence to your follow-up statement especially given the ridiculous & slanderous coverage she's been given. No further discussion with you is warranted. one-tab.com/page/tE5DJcsOQFiJQtKjGFH8wA
    - throwawayblmde 6y ago
      While they hold different offices, AOC is undeniably a favorite of the left and has 12 million twitter followers. Her being a junior congresswoman does not disqualify her from inciting riots. One does not need to be in government at all to incite a riot. The news article I linked was not slanderous afaik and casts AOC's pro-rioting views in a positive light. It is difficult for me to compare the impact of the BLM riots to Wednesday, but I view both as preventable tragedies caused by politicians. I won't attempt to quantify the tragedy or weigh them against each other. If you only want to view Trump as culpable, I wish you all the best but I think you would be wrong.
  - r0s 6y ago
    > the BLM riots were terrorism and equivalent to what happened on Wednesday One group is rioting to protest frequent ignored murder of their community. The other riot to attempt to halt an important democratic government process. That's clearly and demonstrably premeditated sedition and treason anyway you spin it, or ignore it in your case.
    - throwawayblmde 6y ago
      I read your argument to be that the terrorism is justified in one case and not justified in the other. That may be the case, but many will disagree about which form of terrorism is justified and then you have a bunch of terrorists everywhere. My argument is that neither terrorism is justified, and both were enflamed by the state of politics and most of the violence/bad behavior was done by desperate criminals or the mentally ill.
      - 6y ago
Bud 6y ago
You were lazy. You didn't read the list you posted. Once you do start reading it, you will find death after death attributed to far-right domestic terrorists and white supremacists. You'll also find a bunch of looters and arsonists that got killed because of what tends to happen when you commit arson and loot places. You'll also find innocent protestors that got murdered by police. Guess what you won't find? Any substantial number of deaths actually caused by left-wing protestors. Be more thorough next time.
- throwawayblmde 6y ago
  Your tone is extremely patronizing and your message is incorrect. At a minimum, the protests were anti-police. Protestors were chanting slogans extremely hostile to the police. By creating an unsafe atmosphere after months of quarantine lockdowns, people rioted which resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars worth of damage across multiple cities and these deaths. Criminals and people with mental disorders were emboldened by sharp rhetoric/opportunism to break the law. I see this as very similar to what happened this week.
  - r0s 6y ago
    The protests were the largest civil rights movement in US history. That's several orders of magnatude larger than the largest trump rallys and riots. Painting BLM as one unified voice of violence is totally dishonest. Protesting the police is not violent, calling for justice is not violent. The continued, undeniable unaccounted murder of citizens by police is understandable reason for a relatively small portion of the BLM protests to turn ugly, and the police have a major, direct hand in that escalation.
  - Bud 6y ago
    Actually, the protests were anti-police murder. They were protesting the large numbers of murders of Black people by police. Again, please don't intentionally misconstrue what happened this summer in the BLM movement, or the impetus behind that. And if you see those protests as "similar" to a fascist mob trying to overthrow the US government, well, I don't really know what to say, other than that you are obviously incorrect.

galacticaactual 6y ago

How about David Dorn, retired St Louis Police Captain.

thefucnjosh 6y ago
The suspects have been caught and charged. Dorn was not a Trump supporter and wasn't killed for political reasons. Debra White told the paper that her father opposed much of Drumpf's rhetoric and policies, including "the things he said about Colin Kaepernick, the kids locked up in cages, the racist remarks." Dorn's daughters stated their father did not want to support the "law and order agenda".

lenkite 6y ago

Jessica Doty-Whitaker shot for saying all lives matter.

thefucnjosh 6y ago
This is a very strange case. But nevertheless it can't be said if she was killed for that. And the incident was not part of any kind of protest or riot. "Ramirez said in the Fox59 interview the two groups separated because they realized people in each group were armed. He said both groups then fist-bumped and went their separate ways. But someone opened fire from a nearby bridge and struck Doty-Whitaker, Ramirez said. He said the shooters then ran away. Ramirez said he fired back but did not hit anyone. When contacted by IndyStar, members of Doty-Whitaker's family declined interview requests."
- lenkite 6y ago
  Police later released the video. She was shot just moments after yelling out “All lives matter”. https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/police-release-video-of-possible-witnesses-or-persons-of-interest-in-canal-killing/531-acef51ac-b1f2-41fb-ba23-340f8934ce50 https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/police-release-video...