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Rhetoric like this is why they stormed the capitol.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
They were also delusional about the imperviousness of their actions. It doesn’t seem like any of them expected consequences. Underlining that there are consequences should be productive. There are a lot of people hurting in America. It’s a terrible precedent to prioritise people threatening insurrection.
- trumpthrow 6y ago
  No punishment for storming a federal building in Portland and wounding federal officers. Let’s not be naive. The narrative was already set.
e5india 6y ago
No they stormed the capitol because they refused to accept the outcome of an election after their candidate availed himself of every legal avenue of challenge. Fuck those people. The rhetoric that drove them was Trump himself and his stooges in conservative media.
- trumpthrow 6y ago
  Why did antifa storm the federal building in Portland and wound. Where were the pitchforks? Fuck antifa.
sdwa 6y ago
It's not the responsibility of normal people to indulge the crazy satanic paedophile conspiracy theories of total lunatics so that said lunatics won't behave like total animals. They stormed the capitol because they believed complete horse shit about how the election was stolen, when it wasn't, and they were incited to do so by the current president.
- arminiusreturns 6y ago
  Please don't equate pedophile conspiricies with this when the former is demonstrably provable. (just because an obvious psyop like Q talks about the topic doesnt automatically make the topic false, on the contrary that could and lijely is part of the intended effect of the psyop) It enables such dismissals of legitmate questions such as why was Epstein was seen as an intelligence asset? Ignore the facts and jump straight to calling anything you dont like a crazy conspiracy theory so you can ban it! Read up on Dutroux - Belgiums Xfiles or the Franklin scandal or the Finders or... if you think satanist pedophile conspiracies arent real.
  - boc 6y ago
    Qanon is exactly what you are describing though. Quoting from Bellingcat [1]: "Here is the core of the QAnon myth: with the aid of a small group of military intelligence officers called the Q team (one or more of whom is supposedly responsible for writing the drops), President Donald Trump is waging a shadow war against a cabal of Satan-worshipping, child-eating pedophiles who are conspiring to obstruct and overthrow him. The military will arrest them en masse in an event called “the Storm.”" You can see why people would be uncomfortable dipping their toes into that water when so many people have been led to believe in "obvious psyops". Conspiratorial thinking is healthy until it isn't. Be careful about how deep you dive my friend. 1. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/07/the-making-of-qanon-a-crowdsourced-conspiracy/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/07/the-maki...
    - arminiusreturns 6y ago
      I understand, but what I am meaning is that while I have yet to see any credible proof of electoral malfeasance, the other thing has evidence. What I propose is that this hesitancy is engineered as part of the psyop. > Conspiratorial thinking is healthy until it isn't. Be careful about how deep you dive my friend. A long time ago I made a decision, after particpating in what could rightfully be called a conspiracy myself (the Iraq war), that I will simply pursue the truth, and will always prefer the ugly truth to a beautiful lie. The fact is that much of the truth tends to touch conspiracy and I will not shirk away from it just because of that fact.
boc 6y ago
Stop treating these people like they are victims. They used force to attempt to stop the lawful, democratic transition of power by the joint session of the US Congress. The are traitors to this nation, full stop.
- jrmg 6y ago
  They can be both victims and traitors. As much as I’d like to live in a world where reason and reasonableness were innate, environment matters in determining a person’s mode of thought. I like this NYTimes price someone posted elsewhere in this thread: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/opinion/trump-capitol-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/opinion/trump-capitol-pro... [Edit: This does not mean I think that the insurrectionists shouldn’t be held accountable! Though motivations can be complex, justice matters.]
trumpthrow 6y ago
Why did antifa storm the federal building in Portland and wound. Where were the pitchforks?
neaden 6y ago
No, rhetoric from the president is why they stormed the capital.
Veraticus 6y ago
No, they stormed the capital because they've been fed a steady diet of lies and misinformation. Appeasing them does nothing but insulates them in their fantasy bubble. It's time for them to return to reality.
fredophile 6y ago
Do you have a better solution? You can't just continue to go along with people to avoid a fight. Some things are worth fighting for.
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They were also delusional about the imperviousness of their actions. It doesn’t seem like any of them expected consequences. Underlining that there are consequences should be productive. There are a lot of people hurting in America. It’s a terrible precedent to prioritise people threatening insurrection.

trumpthrow 6y ago
No punishment for storming a federal building in Portland and wounding federal officers. Let’s not be naive. The narrative was already set.

e5india 6y ago

No they stormed the capitol because they refused to accept the outcome of an election after their candidate availed himself of every legal avenue of challenge. Fuck those people. The rhetoric that drove them was Trump himself and his stooges in conservative media.

trumpthrow 6y ago
Why did antifa storm the federal building in Portland and wound. Where were the pitchforks? Fuck antifa.

sdwa 6y ago

It's not the responsibility of normal people to indulge the crazy satanic paedophile conspiracy theories of total lunatics so that said lunatics won't behave like total animals. They stormed the capitol because they believed complete horse shit about how the election was stolen, when it wasn't, and they were incited to do so by the current president.

arminiusreturns 6y ago
Please don't equate pedophile conspiricies with this when the former is demonstrably provable. (just because an obvious psyop like Q talks about the topic doesnt automatically make the topic false, on the contrary that could and lijely is part of the intended effect of the psyop) It enables such dismissals of legitmate questions such as why was Epstein was seen as an intelligence asset? Ignore the facts and jump straight to calling anything you dont like a crazy conspiracy theory so you can ban it! Read up on Dutroux - Belgiums Xfiles or the Franklin scandal or the Finders or... if you think satanist pedophile conspiracies arent real.
- boc 6y ago
  Qanon is exactly what you are describing though. Quoting from Bellingcat [1]: "Here is the core of the QAnon myth: with the aid of a small group of military intelligence officers called the Q team (one or more of whom is supposedly responsible for writing the drops), President Donald Trump is waging a shadow war against a cabal of Satan-worshipping, child-eating pedophiles who are conspiring to obstruct and overthrow him. The military will arrest them en masse in an event called “the Storm.”" You can see why people would be uncomfortable dipping their toes into that water when so many people have been led to believe in "obvious psyops". Conspiratorial thinking is healthy until it isn't. Be careful about how deep you dive my friend. 1. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/07/the-making-of-qanon-a-crowdsourced-conspiracy/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/07/the-maki...
  - arminiusreturns 6y ago
    I understand, but what I am meaning is that while I have yet to see any credible proof of electoral malfeasance, the other thing has evidence. What I propose is that this hesitancy is engineered as part of the psyop. > Conspiratorial thinking is healthy until it isn't. Be careful about how deep you dive my friend. A long time ago I made a decision, after particpating in what could rightfully be called a conspiracy myself (the Iraq war), that I will simply pursue the truth, and will always prefer the ugly truth to a beautiful lie. The fact is that much of the truth tends to touch conspiracy and I will not shirk away from it just because of that fact.

boc 6y ago

Stop treating these people like they are victims. They used force to attempt to stop the lawful, democratic transition of power by the joint session of the US Congress. The are traitors to this nation, full stop.

jrmg 6y ago
They can be both victims and traitors. As much as I’d like to live in a world where reason and reasonableness were innate, environment matters in determining a person’s mode of thought. I like this NYTimes price someone posted elsewhere in this thread: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/opinion/trump-capitol-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/opinion/trump-capitol-pro... [Edit: This does not mean I think that the insurrectionists shouldn’t be held accountable! Though motivations can be complex, justice matters.]

trumpthrow 6y ago

Why did antifa storm the federal building in Portland and wound. Where were the pitchforks?

neaden 6y ago

No, rhetoric from the president is why they stormed the capital.

Veraticus 6y ago

No, they stormed the capital because they've been fed a steady diet of lies and misinformation. Appeasing them does nothing but insulates them in their fantasy bubble. It's time for them to return to reality.

fredophile 6y ago

Do you have a better solution? You can't just continue to go along with people to avoid a fight. Some things are worth fighting for.

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