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Showing up to the Capitol with zipties, presumably to take elected officials hostage, qualifies as terrorism. Eyewitnesses reported specific threats made agains

by TT3351 6y ago

Showing up to the Capitol with zipties, presumably to take elected officials hostage, qualifies as terrorism. Eyewitnesses reported specific threats made against the Vice President, and some carried nooses with them into the building.

ng12 6y ago
And these are exactly the sorts of things right-wing media focused on about the BLM protests, hence my comment.
- TT3351 6y ago
  Please share links of similar activities by any BLM protestors anywhere in the nation. You are constructing a false equivalency.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    Seattle City Hall https://youtu.be/aA1GHvHzy8M https://youtu.be/aA1GHvHzy8M
    - TT3351 6y ago
      They seem to be occupying areas open to the public, and not during a Constitutionally mandated transfer of power. Not close to equivalent, as far as that video goes.
      - zaroth 6y ago
        You asked for something similar. Obviously there is nothing that you will admit is equivalent.
- jhardy54 6y ago
  Please link to where BLM protestors stormed a federal building with weapons while chanting about killing their representatives. Bonus points for planting bombs.
  - newguy1234 6y ago
    Portland federal courthouse.
    - jhardy54 6y ago
      Great choice, seeing as how I'm a Portland resident. How many people stormed the courthouse with gun and zipties, and which politicians did they want to murder? The closest you're going to get is something about protestors chanting "fuck Ted Wheeler" in response to being tear gassed during a peaceful protest. P.S. Black lives matter.
      - johndevor 6y ago
        Your mayor just got assaulted: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9125107/Portland-Mayor-Ted-Wheeler-punched-dining-outside-protesters-frustrations-boil-over.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9125107/Portland-Ma...
        jhardy54 6y ago
        Even if that's true, that doesn't prove the incorrect assertion that "BLM protestors stormed the Mark O. Hatfield United States Courthouse with weapons while chanting about killing their representatives". The dog-piling and deflection is very cool though, definitely keep doing that if you want to be taken seriously. Also, please try to link reputable sources in the future: https://www.opb.org/article/2021/01/07/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-punched-at-restaurant/ https://www.opb.org/article/2021/01/07/portland-mayor-ted-wh... While we're adding random bullshit to confuse the issue, maybe we could talk about how a Republican representative helped Republicans try to storm the Oregon Capitol too: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/01/video-clearly-shows-rep-mike-nearman-helping-right-wing-demonstrators-breach-oregon-capitol.html https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/01/video-clearly-sh...
zaroth 6y ago
Zero elected officials were actually taken hostage. You saw a picture of a guy with zipties at the capital, and extrapolated all the way to the rest of your comment. Antifa showed up at several state capitals with much worse than zipties. They firebombed Federal buildings and police districts. Chanted for the removal of elected officials. Constructed guillotines. Do you call them terrorists? More importantly, how many elected Democrats have been signing the praises of antifa rioters all summer, telling us we need to leave room for them to express their rage, that we are supposed to be uncomfortable, that property violence isn’t violence.... And now they’ve gotten exactly what they’ve been asking for the last 4 years, Trump’s account suspended.
- willis936 6y ago
  Just because they failed doesn’t mean they didn’t seriously try. A woman was shot in the neck and died because she climbed through a barricade towards men with guns pointed at her, telling her to stay back. What was her goal? To get to the senate floor that was still being evacuated. You don’t want to call it terrorism even though the entire legislative head was nearly at the mercy of a mob?
  - zaroth 6y ago
    Actually the FBI said today they are still investigating if anyone actually tried at all to take hostages, and still investigating who the person was with the zipties and what they were doing there. The woman who was shot (elsewhere I posted the very graphic video of it happening) was surrounded on both sides of the door by police. My best guess is she was fully enthralled in a mob mentality and obviously not thinking clearly. Violent mobs are dangerous for this exact reason. We saw this play out again and again over the summer, and a lot of people died. From the video I saw there was no need to kill her, she was trying to gain access to a long hallway with a half dozen police in the far side of the door, and the snot fired could have very easily hit the police officer that was standing right by her on her side of the door at the time. I think all we can do is purely speculate on her mental state and her goals. There will be a lot of evidence if she actually went to the capital in order to hurt or capture public officials. None has yet to be shown. All we know basically is that she was a military vet.

by TT3351 6y ago

ng12 6y ago

And these are exactly the sorts of things right-wing media focused on about the BLM protests, hence my comment.

TT3351 6y ago
Please share links of similar activities by any BLM protestors anywhere in the nation. You are constructing a false equivalency.
- zaroth 6y ago
  Seattle City Hall https://youtu.be/aA1GHvHzy8M https://youtu.be/aA1GHvHzy8M
  - TT3351 6y ago
    They seem to be occupying areas open to the public, and not during a Constitutionally mandated transfer of power. Not close to equivalent, as far as that video goes.
    - zaroth 6y ago
      You asked for something similar. Obviously there is nothing that you will admit is equivalent.
jhardy54 6y ago
Please link to where BLM protestors stormed a federal building with weapons while chanting about killing their representatives. Bonus points for planting bombs.
- newguy1234 6y ago
  Portland federal courthouse.
  - jhardy54 6y ago
    Great choice, seeing as how I'm a Portland resident. How many people stormed the courthouse with gun and zipties, and which politicians did they want to murder? The closest you're going to get is something about protestors chanting "fuck Ted Wheeler" in response to being tear gassed during a peaceful protest. P.S. Black lives matter.
    - johndevor 6y ago
      Your mayor just got assaulted: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9125107/Portland-Mayor-Ted-Wheeler-punched-dining-outside-protesters-frustrations-boil-over.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9125107/Portland-Ma...
      - jhardy54 6y ago
        Even if that's true, that doesn't prove the incorrect assertion that "BLM protestors stormed the Mark O. Hatfield United States Courthouse with weapons while chanting about killing their representatives". The dog-piling and deflection is very cool though, definitely keep doing that if you want to be taken seriously. Also, please try to link reputable sources in the future: https://www.opb.org/article/2021/01/07/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-punched-at-restaurant/ https://www.opb.org/article/2021/01/07/portland-mayor-ted-wh... While we're adding random bullshit to confuse the issue, maybe we could talk about how a Republican representative helped Republicans try to storm the Oregon Capitol too: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/01/video-clearly-shows-rep-mike-nearman-helping-right-wing-demonstrators-breach-oregon-capitol.html https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2021/01/video-clearly-sh...

zaroth 6y ago

Zero elected officials were actually taken hostage. You saw a picture of a guy with zipties at the capital, and extrapolated all the way to the rest of your comment. Antifa showed up at several state capitals with much worse than zipties. They firebombed Federal buildings and police districts. Chanted for the removal of elected officials. Constructed guillotines. Do you call them terrorists? More importantly, how many elected Democrats have been signing the praises of antifa rioters all summer, telling us we need to leave room for them to express their rage, that we are supposed to be uncomfortable, that property violence isn’t violence.... And now they’ve gotten exactly what they’ve been asking for the last 4 years, Trump’s account suspended.

willis936 6y ago
Just because they failed doesn’t mean they didn’t seriously try. A woman was shot in the neck and died because she climbed through a barricade towards men with guns pointed at her, telling her to stay back. What was her goal? To get to the senate floor that was still being evacuated. You don’t want to call it terrorism even though the entire legislative head was nearly at the mercy of a mob?
- zaroth 6y ago
  Actually the FBI said today they are still investigating if anyone actually tried at all to take hostages, and still investigating who the person was with the zipties and what they were doing there. The woman who was shot (elsewhere I posted the very graphic video of it happening) was surrounded on both sides of the door by police. My best guess is she was fully enthralled in a mob mentality and obviously not thinking clearly. Violent mobs are dangerous for this exact reason. We saw this play out again and again over the summer, and a lot of people died. From the video I saw there was no need to kill her, she was trying to gain access to a long hallway with a half dozen police in the far side of the door, and the snot fired could have very easily hit the police officer that was standing right by her on her side of the door at the time. I think all we can do is purely speculate on her mental state and her goals. There will be a lot of evidence if she actually went to the capital in order to hurt or capture public officials. None has yet to be shown. All we know basically is that she was a military vet.