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It's highly unlikely that there were any members of Antifa among the rioters, and there is also no evidence of same.

llcoolv 6y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBSnUzLYMEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBSnUzLYMEQ Enjoy. Also check 4chan for the facial picture matches. As I say - shit gets dumb and scary...
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  A random dude on YouTube and 4chan vs police reports? I'd expect this on reddit, but not on hn
  - llcoolv 6y ago
    The 3rd most popular journalist in the world is a random dude? Do you even believe yourself?
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      I truly want to know by what metric Tim Pool is anything close to the most popular journalist in the world. Pool seems to have ~1 million subscribers, which is less than the NYT or WaPo. Not to mention TV news. Rachel Maddow gets ~3 million viewers daily, which is similar to Tucker Carlson and Hannity. And that doesn't even begin to cover things like NBC or ABC nightly news.
      - llcoolv 6y ago
        A very dumb and easy question. NYT and WaPo have hundreds of journalists, so the average would be in the tens of thousands. You cannot compare an individual and a corporation in such a way. And yes, the most popular journalist today is exactly Tucker and he is not that much more thrustworthy than NYT/WaPo, at least to me. P.S. While I agree with Pool only ~60% of the time, he has around 1.5M on his other channel.
        joshuamorton 6y ago
        > A very dumb and easy question. NYT and WaPo have hundreds of journalists, so the average would be in the tens of thousands. This doesn't follow. Just as an example, Maggie Haberman (an NYT reporter) has more than 1.6 million twitter followers, around 2x Tim's and more than he has subs on any of his channels. (More broadly, there are a number of junior reporters who don't have big followings at the NYT and other conventional institutions, but there are also a number of very well known journalists who have large followings for their specific content).
- dleslie 6y ago
  The FBI disagrees with 4Chan, where folks can't seem to figure out that BLM and Antifa forums had photos of white supremacists on them in order to identify them. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/533432-fbi-no-evidence-antifa-involved-in-capitol-riot https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/533432-fbi-no-e...
  - llcoolv 6y ago
    Well, there were definitely far-right people acting provocateur at BLM/A-fa rallies, so I don't see what is wrong with those statements.
- metabagel 6y ago
  There’s no proof antifa stormed the Capitol. The rumor spread quickly anyway https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/07/theres-no-proof-antifa-stormed-capitol-rumor-sprea/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/07/theres-no-pro... The FBI says there's no evidence Antifa participated in the riots. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/2021-01-08-capitol-riots-electoral-vote-count-n1253384/ncrd1253528#liveBlogHeader https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/2021-01-... https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformati... No, there is no evidence that antifa activists stormed the Capitol. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions#antifa-capitol-mob https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformati...
  - llcoolv 6y ago
    Please, try to provide counter-arguments to the evidence present in the video, not just random links to half-dead legacy media. And yes, antifa are no longer affiliated with DP. If they somehow find common ground with the other extreme, things will get real stupid real quick.
    - gputhrowaway630 6y ago
      As far as I can tell the video only provides evidence of one person with ties to "Insurgence USA" (a left wing group) being inside the capital during the protest. No evidence for 'antifa' and no evidence that there was any organized left-wing presence.
wang_li 6y ago
There was at least one, he was picked up, questioned, and released last night. His name is John Sullivan and he’s the leader of Insurgence USA, which describes itself as anti fascist. He streamed for some forty minutes from inside the capitol and was heard on the stream encouraging people to go in with him.
- metabagel 6y ago
  He was present. He didn't plan the thing, and it's unclear what his role was. He claims he was just there to document what happened. The Capitol building was attacked by MAGA extremists, not Antifa. The MAGA extremists were egged on by the President and his associates and supporters. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/09/facebook-posts/facebook-posts-wrongly-claim-left-wing-activist-an/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/09/facebook-p...
  - llcoolv 6y ago
    "he claims he was just there to document what happened." Even though, there is a video he streamed urging people to join? Do you even believe yourself?
  - wang_li 6y ago
    >He was present. He didn't plan the thing, and it's unclear what his role was. Is this goalpost moving? Your prior comment was: >It's highly unlikely that there were any members of Antifa among the rioters, and there is also no evidence of same. My response was simply that it's confirmed that there were antifa people present in the capitol and the evidence is their very own stream. He later went on national TV and admitted to being present. It's irrelevant what he claims. At a minimum he riled up the mob, such action being viewed on his stream. If you want to make the argument that storming the capitol building wasn't an antifa action, I won't argue with you. If you want to say there were no antifa people present and there is no evidence of the same, then I'll correct you as you are objectively wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBSnUzLYMEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBSnUzLYMEQ Enjoy. Also check 4chan for the facial picture matches. As I say - shit gets dumb and scary...

NicoJuicy 6y ago
A random dude on YouTube and 4chan vs police reports? I'd expect this on reddit, but not on hn
- llcoolv 6y ago
  The 3rd most popular journalist in the world is a random dude? Do you even believe yourself?
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    I truly want to know by what metric Tim Pool is anything close to the most popular journalist in the world. Pool seems to have ~1 million subscribers, which is less than the NYT or WaPo. Not to mention TV news. Rachel Maddow gets ~3 million viewers daily, which is similar to Tucker Carlson and Hannity. And that doesn't even begin to cover things like NBC or ABC nightly news.
    - llcoolv 6y ago
      A very dumb and easy question. NYT and WaPo have hundreds of journalists, so the average would be in the tens of thousands. You cannot compare an individual and a corporation in such a way. And yes, the most popular journalist today is exactly Tucker and he is not that much more thrustworthy than NYT/WaPo, at least to me. P.S. While I agree with Pool only ~60% of the time, he has around 1.5M on his other channel.
      - joshuamorton 6y ago
        > A very dumb and easy question. NYT and WaPo have hundreds of journalists, so the average would be in the tens of thousands. This doesn't follow. Just as an example, Maggie Haberman (an NYT reporter) has more than 1.6 million twitter followers, around 2x Tim's and more than he has subs on any of his channels. (More broadly, there are a number of junior reporters who don't have big followings at the NYT and other conventional institutions, but there are also a number of very well known journalists who have large followings for their specific content).
dleslie 6y ago
The FBI disagrees with 4Chan, where folks can't seem to figure out that BLM and Antifa forums had photos of white supremacists on them in order to identify them. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/533432-fbi-no-evidence-antifa-involved-in-capitol-riot https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/533432-fbi-no-e...
- llcoolv 6y ago
  Well, there were definitely far-right people acting provocateur at BLM/A-fa rallies, so I don't see what is wrong with those statements.
metabagel 6y ago
There’s no proof antifa stormed the Capitol. The rumor spread quickly anyway https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/07/theres-no-proof-antifa-stormed-capitol-rumor-sprea/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/07/theres-no-pro... The FBI says there's no evidence Antifa participated in the riots. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/2021-01-08-capitol-riots-electoral-vote-count-n1253384/ncrd1253528#liveBlogHeader https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/2021-01-... https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformati... No, there is no evidence that antifa activists stormed the Capitol. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions#antifa-capitol-mob https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformati...
- llcoolv 6y ago
  Please, try to provide counter-arguments to the evidence present in the video, not just random links to half-dead legacy media. And yes, antifa are no longer affiliated with DP. If they somehow find common ground with the other extreme, things will get real stupid real quick.
  - gputhrowaway630 6y ago
    As far as I can tell the video only provides evidence of one person with ties to "Insurgence USA" (a left wing group) being inside the capital during the protest. No evidence for 'antifa' and no evidence that there was any organized left-wing presence.

wang_li 6y ago

There was at least one, he was picked up, questioned, and released last night. His name is John Sullivan and he’s the leader of Insurgence USA, which describes itself as anti fascist. He streamed for some forty minutes from inside the capitol and was heard on the stream encouraging people to go in with him.

metabagel 6y ago
He was present. He didn't plan the thing, and it's unclear what his role was. He claims he was just there to document what happened. The Capitol building was attacked by MAGA extremists, not Antifa. The MAGA extremists were egged on by the President and his associates and supporters. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/09/facebook-posts/facebook-posts-wrongly-claim-left-wing-activist-an/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/09/facebook-p...
- llcoolv 6y ago
  "he claims he was just there to document what happened." Even though, there is a video he streamed urging people to join? Do you even believe yourself?
- wang_li 6y ago
  >He was present. He didn't plan the thing, and it's unclear what his role was. Is this goalpost moving? Your prior comment was: >It's highly unlikely that there were any members of Antifa among the rioters, and there is also no evidence of same. My response was simply that it's confirmed that there were antifa people present in the capitol and the evidence is their very own stream. He later went on national TV and admitted to being present. It's irrelevant what he claims. At a minimum he riled up the mob, such action being viewed on his stream. If you want to make the argument that storming the capitol building wasn't an antifa action, I won't argue with you. If you want to say there were no antifa people present and there is no evidence of the same, then I'll correct you as you are objectively wrong.