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Clamping down is not notoriously effective. It has a tendency to build pressure, not release it. Better to try and understand the complex psycho-social-economi

Clamping down is not notoriously effective. It has a tendency to build pressure, not release it. Better to try and understand the complex psycho-social-economic factors that lead to this situation. Without a clear understanding of how a problem came to be, how can it be fixed?

metabagel 6y ago
By sending the people who participated or incited the riot to prison. Seriously, it's either that or the next coup will be successful.
greedo 6y ago
Re-educating people has horrible connotations of Vietnam, Modern day China, etc and really doesn't work. So the most likely way of changing people's hearts and minds is war. Germans became peace lovers really fast after their country was destroyed end to end. Same with Japan. As an American I hope it doesn't come to that. I fear we'll end up experiencing something like the Troubles. Low grade civil war.
- mistermann 6y ago
  I don't see any mention of reeducation in that comment, I see a suggestion to seek understanding of what's going on. A rather old-fashioned idea I must admit, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
Pils 6y ago
> Clamping down is not notoriously effective. "We find that the ban worked for Reddit. More accounts than expected discontinued using the site; those that stayed drastically decreased their hate speech usage-by at least 80%. Though many subreddits saw an influx of r/fatpeoplehate and r/C******n "migrants," those subreddits saw no significant changes in hate speech usage"[0]. I expect if Parler et. al. took similar stances against hate speech and open calls to violence, they would see similar results. > Without a clear understanding of how a problem came to be, how can it be fixed? You can't test a treatment without an intervention. edit: fixed asterisks. [0]https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3134666 https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3134666
- withinboredom 6y ago
  > I expect if Parler et. al. took similar stances against hate speech and open calls to violence, they would see similar results. I haven’t really looked into those platforms, but they’re new enough that they probably don’t have the tooling to do any of that. It took fb and Twitter years to build that.
- qorrect 6y ago
  I can't work out what r/C**n would spell could you share ?
  - stordoff 6y ago
    From the citation: > Though many subreddits saw an influx of r/fatpeoplehate and r/CoonTown "migrants," those subreddits saw no significant changes in hate speech usage.
- syshum 6y ago
  They disappeared from reddit, they did not disappear from reality they just moved on to other place often time even more radicalized places with absolutely no chance of encountering differing opinions. Reddit has become a Political echo chamber, I was pretty active in libertarian and a few other political subreddits years ago, i no longer am because it is just a Authoritarian left wing echo chamber, even the so call "conservative" and "libertarian" subreddits My political views have not changed simply because I am not longer politically active in reddit, but to you that is "win" It is not, it just makes it seem that way because your little corner of the internet is now a safe space free of any dissenting thought, in reality the cultural wedge is only getting larger
blix 6y ago
I'm not sure it's in the Democrats' best (short-term) interest to release this pressure. Trump has galvanized support for centrist Democratic politicians at a time when they were stuggling. Consider Sanders' support in 2016. Perhaps I am too cynical, but at this point I would not be surprised if the Democrats stoke tensions for short-term gains, like the Republicans before them. I hope this does not come to pass, because surely this fanning of the flames would end with all of us burned.
groby_b 6y ago
By removing the problem. If somebody tries to destroy democracy, you first remove them from the position where they could do that, and then, once the immediate danger is gone, you can look at the complex factors. Triage applies.
closeparen 6y ago
Upsetting Trump’s base is not some unforeseeable or mysterious accident. “When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”

metabagel 6y ago

By sending the people who participated or incited the riot to prison. Seriously, it's either that or the next coup will be successful.

greedo 6y ago

Re-educating people has horrible connotations of Vietnam, Modern day China, etc and really doesn't work. So the most likely way of changing people's hearts and minds is war. Germans became peace lovers really fast after their country was destroyed end to end. Same with Japan. As an American I hope it doesn't come to that. I fear we'll end up experiencing something like the Troubles. Low grade civil war.

mistermann 6y ago
I don't see any mention of reeducation in that comment, I see a suggestion to seek understanding of what's going on. A rather old-fashioned idea I must admit, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

Pils 6y ago

> Clamping down is not notoriously effective. "We find that the ban worked for Reddit. More accounts than expected discontinued using the site; those that stayed drastically decreased their hate speech usage-by at least 80%. Though many subreddits saw an influx of r/fatpeoplehate and r/C******n "migrants," those subreddits saw no significant changes in hate speech usage"[0]. I expect if Parler et. al. took similar stances against hate speech and open calls to violence, they would see similar results. > Without a clear understanding of how a problem came to be, how can it be fixed? You can't test a treatment without an intervention. edit: fixed asterisks. [0]https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3134666 https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3134666

withinboredom 6y ago
> I expect if Parler et. al. took similar stances against hate speech and open calls to violence, they would see similar results. I haven’t really looked into those platforms, but they’re new enough that they probably don’t have the tooling to do any of that. It took fb and Twitter years to build that.
qorrect 6y ago
I can't work out what r/C**n would spell could you share ?
- stordoff 6y ago
  From the citation: > Though many subreddits saw an influx of r/fatpeoplehate and r/CoonTown "migrants," those subreddits saw no significant changes in hate speech usage.
syshum 6y ago
They disappeared from reddit, they did not disappear from reality they just moved on to other place often time even more radicalized places with absolutely no chance of encountering differing opinions. Reddit has become a Political echo chamber, I was pretty active in libertarian and a few other political subreddits years ago, i no longer am because it is just a Authoritarian left wing echo chamber, even the so call "conservative" and "libertarian" subreddits My political views have not changed simply because I am not longer politically active in reddit, but to you that is "win" It is not, it just makes it seem that way because your little corner of the internet is now a safe space free of any dissenting thought, in reality the cultural wedge is only getting larger

blix 6y ago

I'm not sure it's in the Democrats' best (short-term) interest to release this pressure. Trump has galvanized support for centrist Democratic politicians at a time when they were stuggling. Consider Sanders' support in 2016. Perhaps I am too cynical, but at this point I would not be surprised if the Democrats stoke tensions for short-term gains, like the Republicans before them. I hope this does not come to pass, because surely this fanning of the flames would end with all of us burned.

groby_b 6y ago

By removing the problem. If somebody tries to destroy democracy, you first remove them from the position where they could do that, and then, once the immediate danger is gone, you can look at the complex factors. Triage applies.

closeparen 6y ago

Upsetting Trump’s base is not some unforeseeable or mysterious accident. “When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”